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I like the simplistic look and design of some of the Microsoft blogs. Alas, I can't join the Microsoft dev party and create my own development blog on the blogs.msdn.com page because I don't work at Microsoft, and I already have my own wordpress blog.

I was looking to have my blog styled to one of the default looking themes shown here: http://blogs.msdn.com/jmeier/default.aspx

Could Microsoft take legal action against me if I used a stylesheet from their page? If I made my page 'based' off their stylesheet, e.g. written from the ground up, would that be copyright infringement?

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I think Microsoft uses one of the templates that come out of the box with community server. But even if they didn't, I haven't heard of a case of someone having a cease and desist based on leveraging someone else's css.

Mike Brown
But it doesn't mean it couldn't happen... I agree with your sentiment, but I wouldn't feel comfortable using that as a defence if they did want to do something like this. :)
ZombieSheep
If you haven't heard it, you haven't listened well enough :-) Check out youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com
LKM
@LKM Interesting site...
curtisk
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AFAIK, and IANAL, and all those other useful acronyms....

Under UK law, I believe you can get away with this kind of thing as long as there are at least 6 demonstrable and obvious differences between the copied article and the copy. Since I'm not a lawyer, I'm not going to go into what constitutes a demonstrable and obvious difference, but I would imagine a colour change would count as one...

You would obviously have to check the laws of your region before taking this advice.

ZombieSheep
Having said all that, there doesn't seem to be any copyright notice within the CSS file itself. That's another angle to investigate - is it covered if it is not explicitly stated to be?
ZombieSheep
@ZombieSheep: Yes, copyright is automatic, you don't need to put a (c) on your works or register them anywhere.
LKM
+15  A: 

Could Microsoft take legal action against me if I used a stylesheet from their page?

Absolutely, since you infringed their copyright. On the other hand, it's debatable whether the stylesheet alone constitues a sufficient threshold of originality to justify legal actions1. At the least, taking without asking is often considered rude. ;-)


1) No. It certainly doesn't. A sophisticated design however will.

Konrad Rudolph
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Technically, they could. It is a violation of their copyright. If they exercised this right, however, it would likely be a PR disaster.

I think you're probably safe if you use it.

Simon Johnson
A PR disaster for whom? My guess would be not for Microsoft, but for the person copying their stylesheet.
LKM
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This would be a horrible idea, but you couldn't get into any trouble if you simply linked to their css.

You could also link to a copy of their css that was located somewhere else that is not associated with your website ;o)

Just some thoughts ...

wcm
+8  A: 

Yes, you can get in legal trouble for copying a site's stylesheet since it's typically a copyright violation. Worse, you could get publicly bashed on blogs like youthoughtwewouldntnotice.com, making such blog posts about you high-ranked Google results for your name, thus tarnishing your reputation irreversibly.

Don't do it, it's not worth the risks.

LKM
Lol, that blog looks cool.
RodgerB
That site looks to me to be about plagiarism, not copyright infringement in general. It specifically says not to submit copies where the original is credited. So being honest protects against them, if not against the copyright lawyers.
Steve Jessop
@onebyone.livejournal.com: The question says that the poster liked the look of Microsoft's blogs, so presumably he would copy that along with the actual CSS file... You're right, though, if he did credit the source, he would not have to worry about this particular blog.
LKM
Steve Jessop
+4  A: 

You could. You probably wont.

Most importantly: Why bother? CSS is pretty simple, it's essentially positioning a bunch of boxes around, and colouring them..

Just look at their CSS files and layout, and reimplement it yourself.. It'll probably end up easier than reworking their CSS to work with your site (unless you completely copy their site, including the CSS, HTML and layout images), plus you'll learn a lot about CSS while you do it.

dbr
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Of course you will, Microsoft China was in a similar situation back when their Juku Blogging Service was found out to be a rip-off of Plurk, and yes, line by line code copying.

Microsoft responded with: “Microsoft takes intellectual property seriously, and we are currently investigating these allegations. It may take some time due to the time zone differences with Beijing.” when they were asked about it.

Here's a link to that article I was referring to.

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