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I found JPA, or alike, don't encourage DAO pattern. I don't know, but I feel like that, especially with server managed JTA managers.

After adequate hands-on using DAO pattern, I started designing JPA based application around that pattern. But it doesn't fit in, IMO. I tend to lose quite a features of JPA and all.

Well, suppose you fire a query with pessimistic locking and it returned a list of entites from a DAO method. Upon returning, transaction ends and lock is gone (a case with server managed JTA manager). So, no point, loosely speaking. There are valid cases, though.

Another example is much more trivial. Suppose you fire a query to get some entity, that has a lazy loading one-to-many association with some other entity. Upon returning the DAO method, transaction ends. Lazy loading wouldn't work anymore, you simply get null or something. To cope with that we load it eagerly manually. we do something like a.getBList().size().

Thus, IMO its better to not make a DAO exclusively, and do it in your business bean, this way you will be able to take advantage of those useful features. Or ORM API can be considered a DAO/Data-layer itself, arguably. So, we don't need to make another.

What you folks think about it?

Note: I don't say, by any means, that the DAO pattern is obsolete. Indeed it depends case to case.

+7  A: 

If you don't define the DAO itself to be transactional, you won't have those problems.

The service layer is supposed to be transactional, because a transaction is supposed to span multiple operations. Putting each insert/update in a transaction is not the best scenario.

With spring you achieve that very easily. Without it you perhaps include the transaction logic in your DAO again - i.e. dao.beginTransaction() and dao.commitTransaction() and use that from the service layer instead.

As I understand, you suggest that using the EntityManager directly in the service classes is probably better than having a wrapper DAO class. I don't agree for one reason. Working the DAO class (interface at best) in your service classes, you don't have dependency on the JPA API at all. You don't have to construct Query objects or the likes. This might not turn out to be a great advantage, but you'd agree it is a best practice. And you can later switch to plain JDBC, plain-text, XML, or whatever, by only changing the DAO.

This, although used widely as an example of why you should abstract something in another layer, is most often simply an overdesign. But sometimes the fact that all your database access operations are going through one place means you can add logging, access-level checks, etc. (Yes, sometimes the DAO is not a particularly suitable way to do this).

So ultimately, to return to your point - it depends.

Bozho
Thanks, Bozho. I found transaction logic depends on business rule. If we make our DAO to adhere with that, means we are polluting it with business rule. If we don't it means we need to take the data provided by DAO, and do things in business logic. Latter case, will have the problem of lazy-loading, what I mentioned earlier. Moreover, see this post http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1748238/pros-and-cons-of-the-use-of-dao-pattern/1748282#1748282
Adeel Ansari
I see your edits. Yes, Spring with Hibernate/JPA is good here to work with. Cent percent agreement. But my emphasis on server managed JTA transactions, where you don't have the liberty of getting transaction.
Adeel Ansari
*"Working the DAO class (...) in your service classes, you don't have dependency on the JPA API at all."* Ok, if you don't do this you're dependent on EJB 3 - but so what? Seriously, what is the problem? I don't care being dependent on a standard API.
Pascal Thivent
sure, you are still dependent on that bacause you use it, and there's no problem in that. But my point was that you could easily change the persistence mechanism without modifying all your classes, because they depend only on the DAO interface.
Bozho
@Bozho I perfectly get your point but I've not seen that happen very frequently in 10 years and consider this event as a kind of myth.
Pascal Thivent
+1, aboslutely true. DAO pattern is still relevant even in JPA environment, because your service layer is transactional and one transaction can span multiple DAO calls.
semberal
me neighter :) but it's also possible to add logging, access checks, etc. Now the DAO is not the best place to do that. So ultimately - it depends :)
Bozho
@semberal I'm not following you. What's the problem of a stateless session bean using the entity manager from a transactional point of view?
Pascal Thivent
From transactional point of view? Nothing. But I see problems from architectural point of view. You service layer is polluted with relatively low-level data access.
semberal
@semberal JPA isn't low level, that's the point.
Pascal Thivent
+9  A: 

For simple applications, I don't see any problem in using the EntityManager directly from EJBs and skipping the DAO pattern (I'm tired of writing too much code). And my feeling is indeed that this is what JPA and the Java EE API encourage. But it may still be justified for more complex applications (for data access from stored procedure, flat files...). So you are right, it depends :)

You'll find some other enlightened point of views in Has JPA Killed the DAO? on InfoQ but you won't be surprised by the content and the conclusion that can be summarized as: you don't really need the DAO pattern anymore for standard data access, you may however need it for some more complex situations, but we live better without it.

Pascal Thivent
Thanks for the valuable inputs, Pascal.
Adeel Ansari
(+1) I tend to agree that if one doesn't have anything particular in mind, there is not a reason to create a dao layer. Even a generic DAO, let alone a separate DAO class for entity.
Bozho