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I understand very clearly the difference between functional and imperative programming techniques. But there's a widespread tendency to talk of "functional languages", and this really confuses me.

Of course some languages like Haskell are more hospitable to functional programming than other languages like C. But even the former does I/O (it just keeps it in a ghetto). And you can write functional programs in C (it's just absurdly harder). So maybe it's just a matter of degree.

Still, even as a matter of degree, what does it mean when someone calls Scheme a "functional language"? Most Scheme code I see is imperative. Is it just that Scheme makes it easy to write in a functional style if you want to? So too do Lua and Python. Are they "functional languages" too?

I'm (really) not trying to be a language cop. If this is just a loose way of talking, that's fine. I'm just trying to figure out whether it does have some definite meaning (even if it's a matter-of-degree meaning) that I'm not seeing.

+8  A: 

I would say that a functional language is any language that allows functional programming without undue pain.

Randolpho
+2  A: 

A language (and platform) that promotes Functional Programming as a means of fully leveraging the capabilities of the said platform.

jldupont
+1  A: 

A language that makes it a lot harder to create functions with side effects than without side effects. The same counts for mutable/immutable data structures.

Ruben
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You can do functional style programming in any language. I try as much as possible.

Python, Linq all promote functional style programming.

A pure functional language like Haskell requires you to do all your computations using mathematical functions, functions that do not modify anything, they just return values.

In addition, functional languages typically allow you to write higher order functions, functions that take functions as arguments and/or return types.

jdv
I'm pretty sure Lisp is not a pure functional language in that sense. You can modify values of variables.
nikie
Most Lisps are not pure. Neither Common Lisp nor Scheme is. Clojure is the only pure Lisp I can think of off the top of my head.
Chuck
To add to that, it is possible to write "imperative style" code in haskell. But in the haskell model of the world, there is state being passed from one statement to the other.
jdv
Lisp is not a pure functional language. Doing IO in lisp is not devoid of side effects. It's also entirely possible to write closures with side effects.
Krypes
Sorry, wrong example. I'll edit...
jdv
How does Python promote functional programming? Lambda functions are decidedly second-class citizens and everything is mutable by default. Even Guido agrees that Python is not much of a functional language: http://python-history.blogspot.com/2009/04/origins-of-pythons-functional-features.html
Chuck
@Chuck: I wrote that it "promotes functional style programming", not that it is a functional language. Doing functional style programming in Python is defintely easier than in Java or C++.
jdv
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I think the same question can be asked about "OOP languages". After all, you can write object oriented programs in C (and it's not uncommon to do so). But C doesn't have any built-in language constructs to enable OOP. You have to do OOP "by hand" without much help from the compiler. That's why it's usually not considered an OOP language. I think this distinction can be applied to "functional languages", too: For example, it's not uncommon to write functional code in C++ (think about STL functions like std::count_if or std::transform). But C++ (for now) lacks built-in language features that enable functional programming, like lambdas. (Let's ignore boost::lambda for the sake of the argument.)

So, to answer your question, I'd say although it's possible to write function programs in each of these languages:

  • C is not a functional language (no built-in functional language constructs)
  • Scheme, Python and friends have functional constructs, so they're functional languages. But they also have imperative and OOP constructs, so they're usually referred to as "multi-paradigm" languages.
nikie
+3  A: 

Jane Street's Brian Hurt wrote a very good article on this a while back. The basic definition he arrived at is that a functional programming language is a language that models the lambda calculus. Think about what languages are widely agreed to be functional and you'll see that this is a very practical definition.

Lisp was a primitive attempt to model the lambda calculus, so it fits this definition — though since most implementations don't stick very closely to the ideas of lambda calculus, they're generally considered to be mixed-paradigm or at best weakly functional.

This is also why a lot of people bristle at languages like Python being called functional. Python's general philosophy is unrelated to lambda calculus — it doesn't encourage this way of thinking at all — so it's not a functional language. It's a Turing machine with first-class functions. You can do functional-style programming in Python, yes, but the language does not have its roots in the same math that functional languages do. (Incidentally, Guido van Rossum himself agrees with this description of the language.)

Chuck
Surely if I write a language which models the SKI-calculus it will still be functional. Yes, that's intertranslatable with the (untyped) lambda-calculus. But so too is any Turing complete language.
profjim
@profjim: SKI calculus is itself based on lambda calculus, so yes, a language based on that would be based on lambda calculus. And it's true that lambda calculus is Turing-equivalent, but the two models are very different from a level of human understanding, which is the domain that programming languages work in. Your objection is like noting that both a car and a boat are made of similar atoms, so there can't be any effective difference between them — it's true on some levels, but not on the one we normally deal with.
Chuck
Perhaps it was introduced to you that way, but historically it was developed independently (and I think earlier). I agree in some intuitive sense they *look* more similar than either does to C, and the translation schema is shorter in one case than the other. But I don't think there's anything more to it than that. I'm not saying there's no effective difference between anything, I'm saying why should "mode of transportation" be defined in terms of "models a car" when there are also boats.
profjim
profjim is correct, combinatory logic as invented by Schönfinkel and developed by Curry predates Church's λ-calculus by a decade or so. The motivation behind the combinator calculus approach was as a construction of formal logic without need of quantified variables; that some combinator bases allow universal computation was unintentional (and perhaps frustrating, because Turing-completeness is roughly equivalent to an inconsistent logic).
camccann
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I like @Randolpho's answer. With regards to features, I might cite the list here:

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/214913/defining-point-of-functional-programming/215414#215414

namely

  • Purity (a.k.a. immutability, eschewing side-effects, referential transparency)
  • Higher-order functions (e.g. pass a function as a parameter, return it as a result, define anonymous function on the fly as a lambda expression)
  • Laziness (a.k.a. non-strict evaluation, most useful/usable when coupled with purity)
  • Algebraic data types and pattern matching
  • Closures
  • Currying / partial application
  • Parametric polymorphism (a.k.a. generics)
  • Recursion (more prominent as a result of purity)
  • Programming with expressions rather than statements (again, from purity)

The more a particular programming language has syntax and constructs tailored to making the various FP features listed above easy/painless to express & implement, the more likely someone will label it a "functional language".

Brian
profjim
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Haskell for one have different types for functions with side-effects and those without.

That's a pretty good discriminating property for being a 100% functional language, at least IMHO.

Marcus Lindblom
+8  A: 

Among people who study programming languages for a living, "functional programming language" is a pretty weakly bound term. There is a strong consensus that:

  • Any language that calls itself functional must support first-class, nested functions with lexical scoping rules.

A significant minority also reserve the term "functional language" for languages which are:

as in languages like Agda, Clean, Coq, and Haskell.

Beyond that, what's considered a functional programming language is often a matter of intent, that is, whether is designers want it to be called "functional".

Perl and Smalltalk are examples of languages that support first-class functions but whose designers don't call them functional. Objective Caml is an example of a language that is called functional even though it has a full object system with inheritance and everything.

Languages that are called "functional" will tend to have features like the following (taken from http://stackoverflow.com/questions/214913/defining-point-of-functional-programming/215414#215414):

  • Anonymous functions (lambda expressions)
  • Recursion (more prominent as a result of purity)
  • Programming with expressions rather than statements (again, from purity)
  • Closures
  • Currying / partial application
  • Lazy evaluation
  • Algebraic data types and pattern matching
  • Parametric polymorphism (a.k.a. generics)

The more a particular programming language has syntax and constructs tailored to making the various programming features listed above easy/painless to express & implement, the more likely someone will label it a "functional language".

Norman Ramsey
profjim
@profjim: seeing as how Brian's answer is a duplicate, it might be better to link it. Or if you feel having the information duplicated here is worthwhile, then go for it. Either way, edit until you're happy :-)
Norman Ramsey
Found this gem: http://conal.net/blog/posts/the-c-language-is-purely-functional/
profjim
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I wrote a (pretty long) analysis once on why the term 'functional programming language' is meaningless which also tries to explain why for instance 'functions' in Haskell are completely different from 'functions' in Lisp or Python: http://blog.nihilarchitect.net/archives/289/on-functional-programming/

Things like 'map' or 'filter' are for a large part also implementable in C for instance.

Lajla