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Hello all,

I have a div that holds a google ad. My website is mostly AJAX and there is no need for a browser refresh. That means my ads will not refresh either, which isnt ideal, a user staring at one ad all day.

So I wanted a way to refresh a particular div on a page. I found many solutions but they didnt work. For example, using JQuery's html function:

$("#ads").html("google ad script here");

This managed to refresh the whole page no idea how. I can also make an AJAX request to a HTML page that contains the google ad but I am guessing it will have the same effect as the above attempt.

I do not want to use iFrames.

Is there any other option open to me? My pea brain can not think of anymore. :)

Thanks you for any help.

EDIT:

It is allowed since I will be initiating the refresh only when a user clicks a link.

A prime example is Yahoo Mail - their new AJAX mailbox uses this same method, when a user clicks a link then a new ad is shown.

+1  A: 

It is not allowed (according to AdSense terms) to try and reload ads during the page life-cycle. Also, it is hardly possible (thanks to the platform architecture).

Sergey Ilinsky
Do you have a link to back this up?
Abs
A: 

It is not allowed. but I think you can use a iframe for that. I saw good tutorials of that. I tried do it by ajax by I rollback my changes for the Adsense TOS

Gabriel Sosa
+13  A: 

UPDATE: Now if you're interested in this, you should sign up for Google AdSense for Ajax, which provides exactly what you want.


As both of the other answers state, refreshing your AdSense advertisements automatically isn't allowed. I understand that you only intend to refresh the ad in response to user action, but it still isn't allowed, even though it should be!

Remember, the reason why you want to update the advertisements is so that you can show new ones. Displaying an advertisement is called an "impression." When you use code to refresh the ads, you are automatically generating ad impressions.

AdSense Program Policies state (emphasis mine):

Invalid Clicks and Impressions

Clicks on Google ads must result from genuine user interest. Any method that artificially generates clicks or impressions on your Google ads is strictly prohibited. These prohibited methods include but are not limited to repeated manual clicks or impressions, using robots, automated click and impression generating tools, third-party services that generate clicks or impressions such as paid-to-click, paid-to-surf, autosurf, and click-exchange programs, or any deceptive software.

Refreshing your advertisements is a violation of the letter of the rule against generating impressions. With that said, I think any reasonable person would agree that refreshing advertisements in an AJAX app in response to user behavior (e.g. in response to a click) isn't a violation of the spirit of the rule.

For example, imagine rewriting your entire app to stop using AJAX. That's clearly a worse experience for your users (it's slower, the page flashes on every click, the page can't dynamically update in the background), but, by a technicality, it's not a violation of the AdSense Program Policies.

Clearly Google meant to prohibit automatically replacing the advertisements every five seconds (creating a "slideshow" of advertisements). Google also meant to prohibit making your site look more attractive to advertisers by appearing to have more visits than you actually have. I'm sure they didn't intend to prevent you from designing a high-performance AJAX website... but unfortunately sometimes rules have unintended consequences.

Of course, as you originally pointed out, you CAN still refresh your advertisements if you embed them in an iframe and modify its location. (Here's how to use iframes in an AJAX application to refresh AdSense.)

You rejected iframes in your initial question, perhaps because you knew that using iframes would violate Google's policies... but if you insist on breaking the rules, you might as well break them all the way! ;-)

Ultimately, I think you'll find that generating impressions this way isn't worth the risk: you'll "refresh" the ads only to find that Google is just showing you the exact same ads as before.

Dan Fabulich
That was a good read thanks :) - I am still determined that it is not illegal. I have a different interpretation of the sentence that is in bold. I do not believe a function being triggered because of a user clicking a link is artificial in anyway! :)
Abs
I don't think that the OP's scheme violates any reasonable interpretation of the letter of the policy. It's hard to see any relevant difference between what OP is proposing, and the common practice of using JavaScript to trap button clicks and load a new URL. In both cases we have user action -> JavaScript -> change page contents.
Bennett McElwee
Think of it this way: Google's product is called "AdSense for Content." It's not for webapps; it's for static pages, like blogs. (In general, AdSense for Webapps would be a much more complicated and ambitious project, because webapps change constantly; you can see why they took the easy route.) Changing contents in web pages is common practice in webapps, but that doesn't mean AdSense supports it!
Dan Fabulich
Yesterday, Google announced AdSense for Ajax, which is what you really wanted all along.
Dan Fabulich
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Just include the ads in the pages you are loading via ajax. There can be nothing wrong with loading the ads from a file via ajax on a per page basis.

if I load Read.inc which has some content and an ad Click something on the page and it takes you to Make.inc which has content an an ad.

Whats wrong with that? That's organic. One load with the ad as part of the content.

It's the same as clicking a link.

I haven't actually tried this yet, but it certainly seems logical.

rizen
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I know I'm a year and a half late to the party, but... It's possible that the problem with the ads is that they are using document.write (Ad servers are notorious for this, but I don't know if AdSense uses it or not.)

If that's the case, I have a library that can help: writeCapture.js. Example:

$('#ads').writeCapture().html('<script src="whatever-your-adsense-code-is"> </script>');

That's using jQuery, but there is also a standalone version.

As for whether it's a TOS violation... Gmail changes ads dynamically, so it can't be that bad. As long as the content is changing too, I would think it was OK.

noah