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I'm creating a site that allows users to add Keyword --> URL links. I want multiple users to be able to link to the same url (exactly the same, same object instance).

So if user 1 types in "http://www.facebook.com/index.php" and user 2 types in "http://facebook.com" and user 3 types in "www.facebook.com" how do I best "convert" them to what these all resolve to: "http://www.facebook.com/"

The back end is in Python...

How does a search engine keep track of URLs? Do they keep a URL then take what ever it resolves to or do they toss URLs that are different from what they resolve to and just care about the resolved version?

Thanks!!!

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There's no way to know, other than "magic" knowledge about the particular website, that "/index.php" is the same as fetching "/".

So, your problem, as stated, is impossible.

Randal Schwartz
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i'd save 3 link as separated, since you can never reliably tell they resolve to same page. it all depends on how the server (out of our control) resolve the url.

Dyno Fu
check how del.icio.us save the links...
Dyno Fu
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So if user 1 types in "http://www.facebook.com/index.php" and user 2 types in "http://facebook.com" and user 3 types in "www.facebook.com" how do I best "convert" them to what these all resolve to: "http://www.facebook.com/"

You'd resolve user 3 by fixing up invalid URLs. www.facebook.com isn't a URL, but you can guess that http:// should go on the start. An empty path part is the same as the / path, so you can be sure that needs to go on the end too. A good URL parser should be able to do this bit.

You could resolve user 2 by making a HTTP HEAD request to the URL. If it comes back with a status code of 301, you've got a permanent redirect to the real URL in the Location response header. Facebook does this to send facebook.com traffic to www.facebook.com, and it's definitely something that sites should be doing (even though in the real world many aren't). You might allow consider allowing other redirect status codes in the 3xx family to do the same; it's not really the right thing to do, but some sites use 302 instead of 301 for the redirect because they're a bit thick.

If you have the time and network resources (plus more code to prevent the feature being abused to DoS you or others), you could also consider GETting the target web page and parsing it (assuming it turns out ot be HTML). If there is a <link rel="canonical" href="..." /> element in the page, you should also treat that URL as being the proper one. (View Source: Stack Overflow does this.)

However, unfortunately, user 1's case cannot be resolved. Facebook is serving a page at / and a page at /index.php, and though we can look at them and say they're the same, there is no technical method to describe that relationship. In an ideal world Facebook would include either a 301 redirect response or a <link rel="canonical" /> to tell people that / was the proper format URL to access a particular resource rather than /index.php (or vice versa). But they don't, and in fact most database-driven web sites don't do this yet either.

To get around this, some search engines(*) compare the content at different [sub]domains, and to a limited extent also different paths on the same host, and guess that they're the same if the content is sufficiently similar. Of course this is a lot of work, requires a lot of storage and processing, and is ultimately not terribly reliable.

I wouldn't really bother with much of this, beyond fixing up URLs like in the user 3 case. From your description it doesn't seem that essential that pages that “are the same” have to share actual identity, unless there's a particular use-case you haven't mentioned.

(*: well, Google anyway; more traditional ones traditionally didn't and would happily serve up multiple links for the same page, but I'd assume the other majors are doing something similar now.)

bobince