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What happened to Java and Sun? The community surrounding them had some of my favorite tools and software to develop with. The Java platform anyway, still looked like it had some promise to it: Groovy and Grails. Why does all of this seem to be going the way of the dodo lately?

(Yes, I know their stock price is dropping badly.) Is it just the economy? Or did the lack of cohesion (i.e., not settling on a framework) among the community finally lead to its demise?

+8  A: 

Java is the COBOL of this generation - it certainly has competition but its far from dead.

Come back and ask the same question in 10 years.

kloucks
+7  A: 

I don't know what you're talking about. Any way you look at it, Java is clearly still a very popular language.

One measure is the O'Reilly State of the Computer Book Market. This publisher reports book sales and breaks it down by subject, by language, etc. The popularity of books is as good an indicator of language popularity as any.

According to their March 2008 report, Java was still the top programming language in 2007 in terms of O'Reilly book sales, although the Java books lost a bit of market share to Javascript books since 2006.

Bill Karwin
I would have to say that book sales could be a relative gauge. If you think about schools forcing a language on students and then subsequently the students buying books for that language it could skew the actually popularity of the language. That is people's actual interest in the language.
Quintin Robinson
All market data, polls, etc. can be skewed, but even so, Java is still quite popular. In any case, it's certainly not "going the way of the dodo" as the OP suggests.
Bill Karwin
Well I'm certainly glad to hear that! I really, really like Java. Well maybe it's just not at the forefront of blogs like it used to be. It just seems everywhere I turn all I hear about is .net . (that awkward period I always get when ending a sentence with .net . Ah! there it is again!)
leeand00
Yes, Microsoft is known for marketing their products aggressively.
Bill Karwin
+4  A: 

A quick glance shows that Java is the third most popular topic on Stack Overflow, after C# and .Net. JavaOne is expecting ten thousand attenders this year.

Java isn't the dominating language for web development like Sun probably hoped, but ... well I wish my products were this dead!

DJClayworth
The skewed audience on StackOverflow may be due to Joel Spolsky's influence. He hates Java; he's been the primary means of marketing SO.
erickson
3rd place in a .net "oriented" community is A LOT. Something I never though will happen, VisualBasic and EJB3 questions in the same place. Thanks to SO, Hurray for SO...
OscarRyz
"Joel Spolsky hates Java". I don't believe so. He thinks it shouldn't be taught in schools, not that it's bad in itself.
DJClayworth
+2  A: 

Its sad that Sun isn't doing very well, but even if Sun dies, Java will just continue as an open source project.

Pyrolistical
+1  A: 

Sun has been having problems for years.

I gave up Java in 1997, and haven't looked back since. It is great in concept, but I had a problem with the proprietary implementations. Of course, I ended up doing the same with Microsoft technologies, but it works for me.

Every few years, I look at Java again, as an alternative to Microsoft, from a career perspective...but I suppose you can't go back again.

pearcewg
I think Java is BBR (Broken Beyound Repair). Again totally agree, nice concept, badly executed.
Darknight
+2  A: 

One interesting poll. So it seems like us Java bods are doing alright thanks.

However, with all statistics, I'm always reminded of the quote:

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

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