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Hello all,

I've recently taken on a project with no version control. I don't have any experience with version control myself. I feel it is the only way to go with this project (and probably any future projects now I think of it - I always trust myself too much..)

My question is - where do I begin with implementing version control on a project already in production? Bearing in mind I haven't used version control before so really it's two separate questions:

  • Starting out with version control
  • Implementing it on an already live project

For background, the project is a php/mysql driven website using bits of javascript, I'm working on a (Windows) XAMPP server and I'm very keen to learn this new world of version control!

+3  A: 

Start here: http://svnbook.red-bean.com/

I've found SVN to be the easiest version control system to use, especially for beginners. It's pretty simple to start, the only real decision you have to make is where to host your stuff. There are a couple free svn servers available, but if you're really serious about your work you should host your own.

Dan Lorenc
Avoid that svn book until you've got a bit more experience. It's a valuable resource, but if you want to use SVN, get setup with VisualSVNServer first (http://www.visualsvn.com/server/) it's easy to set up and get started with, you can learn the command line stuff later. Like others have said, TortoiseSVN is a good client tool to use with an SVN server)
Simon P Stevens
+2  A: 

The first thing to do is to pick a version control paradigm (centralized versus distributed). To answer that, you'll need to take a look at your team and how you intend to handle check-in, check-out, merging, and branching. Once you pick a paradigm, you can choose a version control system. The mainstream systems are Subversion for centralized version control and Git and Mercurial for distributed version control.

If the project is live and working, then that should be your initial check-in to whatever version control you are using. You need a reliable baseline that you can revert to and have 0 work to deploy something that works. If your project is not functional...well, good luck. You might want to check in to start using version control and then decide how you want to proceed (either get the project to a stable and functioning state and then restart your repository or have your initial check-in be a broken system).

If the rest of the team doesn't see the benefit with version control, I would recommend installing your own system on your machine and, at the very least, use it for your own work.

Thomas Owens
+2  A: 

Step 1: Download Mercurial.

Step 2: In your favorite command line, go to the root of your source directory and type hg init.

Step 3: Do a make clean or equivalent (ie. all you want is source, no generated files).

Step 4: Type hg addremove.

Step 5: Type hg commit.

From this point on you can:

  • Examine the changes between your most recent commit and now: hg diff or hg status.
  • Make checkpoints in your code: hg commit.
  • Return to previous checkpoints: hg update -C -r 0

Congratulations, you are now using version control: It's really not that hard, and it's very, very useful (if for no other reason than you can look at the changes you've made to see if they make sense).

At some point you'll probably want to learn about branching (if only so that you have a backup copy of your repository on another machine) at which point you can turn to the documentation or the book.

Aaron Maenpaa
I don't know anyone is pushing any version control without understanding the team and the project. There's no silver bullet when it comes to version control, and you have to understand the tradeoffs when deciding between distributed and centralized and then between the various systems.
Thomas Owens
I would argue that distributed version control systems are *strictly* better than centralized VCSes, and there are smart people that agree with me: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XpnKHJAok8 . So why, with the tools available these days, would anyone recommend getting started with SVN rather than git/mercurial/bazaar I have no idea. And out of git/mercurial/bazaar they are all "good enough" so just pick one. The important thing about version control is that you just start using it (right now, don't right another line of code until you are!), not agonizing about which system is "the best".
Aaron Maenpaa
A: 

You can look here: git-for-beginners-the-definitive-practical-guide

This one is a distributed version control system that currently has a good windows support with Git on Windows and a shell extension with TortoiseGit

Aragorn
+4  A: 

Congratulations, you are headed in the right direction!

You'll first need to choose a version control system. My current favorite is Git. Unfortunately, I don't think that Git is an easy introduction to version control. I have also used Subversion and Perforce.

Subversion (http://subversion.tigris.org/) works on many platforms, is used in a lot of projects, and has some nice GUI tools available (such as TortoiseSVN on Windows). Command-line tools are also available. It's also free. You can run it in "local filesystem" mode, meaning that you don't need to set up a separate server. It's come a long way from it's "better than CVS" roots.

Perforce (http://www.perforce.com/) is pretty nice. Its Windows implementation seems the best (last I checked, their cross-platform GUI was pretty lousy). You primarily use a GUI to interact with it, though again there are command-line tools. It's commercial software, but open source projects can get free licenses by contacting the company. The biggest drag is that you will need to set up a server. To get started, you could run the server on the same box that you develop on, but that's probably a bad idea in the long run. I found Perforce to be very good for 2-8 person teams; I don't know how well it would work with more.

The big advantage to Git (http://git-scm.com/) is that it requires virtually no set-up. Once installed, you can execute git init in any directory to create a new git repository. The revision history is kept inside the project's directory. You can start out with just local versioning, and you can scale up from there. If Git seems scary, you could also check out Mercurial (http://mercurial.selenic.com/). I haven't used it, but I understand that it shares some of the same underlying principles as Git.

Avoid CVS. It's on its way out, and no new project should be using it unless they need to do so.

Adding source control to an existing project is easy. The hard part would be making sure that everybody is willing to use source control. If you're working alone, then it's just personal discipline. If you're part of a team, though, and some people have reservations, you will have problems. Try to get everybody on board, and be available to try to answer their questions. If people don't know how to use a tool, they simply won't use it.

Daniel Yankowsky
The only part of this post I have a problem with is the last paragraph - even if no one else on the team uses version control, you should. Hopefully, others will take notice and an interest.
Thomas Owens
+1  A: 

I don't know if there is something similar for php etc, but an interesting resource here is "Brownfield Application Development in .NET". In many ways, this only uses .NET for the examples; most of the book is really about tackling policies exactly like you mention:

  • how to introduce source control
  • how to introduce unit testing
  • how to introduce continuous integration
  • etc

and all the concerns/consideration that go with them.

Partly relating to the code; but also relating to the "human" factor; colleagues, managers, etc. I highly recommend it; but you might decide the .NET background is inappropriate for you (it is a good fit for me ;-p).

Marc Gravell
+2  A: 

Be prepared for some resistance from management and/or your co-workers. Management may not want to invest the resources for a repository machine -- these things need to be installed, maintained, backed-up, etc. Or they may object to you spending time on an "extra" like a RCS.

Your co-workers, especially if they're unfamiliar with any RCS, are likely to resist using it, or complain that it's too hard to use. There's a learning curve to any new tool, and source control systems are no exception. It's worth the time to learn, though.

My advice is to pick one -- any one that strikes your fancy -- and start using it. Don't worry about getting it 100% perfect the 1st time, it probably won't be any worse than what you have now, which is one misplaced keystroke away from oblivion.

Play with it. Check files out into a separate workspace and hack things up, knowing that it doesn't matter; you can always revert it. Learn how to use your new tool with some GUI frontends (I'm fond of 'svn diff --diff-cmd=kdiff3', myself). Get to the point where you know how to check in & out, tags things, branch, and merge. Then show your co-workers.

Personally, I'm fond of svn, but I didn't choose it; it chose me.

upvoted for 'it chose me'
Geos
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An addition to other answers:

If the project you want to put under version control have had some releases, and if those versions are available for example as tarfiles (e.g. project-0.1.tar.gz, project-0.2.tar.gz, project-0.3.tar.gz, ...) you might want to consider importing those versions into your chosen version control system. Git for example has import-tars.perl and import-zips.py in contrib/fast-import/ directory, and writing support for other files in other programming languages for git fast-import should be easy.

Sidenote: my preferred version control system is Git.

See also: Good link or book for basics and theory of version control question.

Jakub Narębski
A: 

Wow, everyone is just boosting his favorite version control utility.

OK, to answer your question, how do you put a project under version control?

It's not that hard, once you pick a version control utility (be it, git, svn, hg, bzr .. whatever) there's usually a command or two to initialize a repository then add all the relevant files to it.

For instance, in git it might be something like:

$git init
$git add --all
$git commit -m"First commit"

Now, about choosing a version control utility, that's a tough question and highly depends on what you want. You might want to have a look at this question:

Popularity of Git/Mercurial/Bazaar vs. which to recommend

The only tools you should consider choosing among are:

  • git
  • svn (Subversion)
  • hg (Merculiar)
  • bzr (Bazaar)
  • mtn (Monotone)

Everything else is either old or commercial.

svn follows a server-client model; there's a central repository. If you're a one-man team then the only thing this means to you is that you have to setup a server and make sure it starts with the computer. Though I heard that you can do away with the server. A bit of googling turns up this guide for using svn without a server

All other tools follow a distributed model, again, if you're a one-man team, the only thing this means to you is that there's no server to setup.

The advantage of svn is that it's been there for a while and has many gui front-ends and better IDE integration.

I can't compare git to hg (merculiar) since I haven't used the latter, but git has a unique storage model compared to svn and hg.

bzr is said to be easier to use, but slower (it's written in python).

I'm personally satisfied with git, but you should do your own research; or maybe just choose one and stick with it. As far as I can tell, they're all mature and stable.

hasen j
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I learned the concepts from the pragmatic series: example for subversion, they also have books on GIT as well.

dimitris mistriotis
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I only have experience with SourceSafe and SVN.

SourceSafe seems to have issues with corrupting it's own database, on a team of 5 we were repairing the db probably once a month. It's easy, but still something you shouldn't have to deal with. It's difficult to label code too and use that label for anything practical.

SVN is nice, it's simple to install on Linux or Windows. Most IDEs have a plugin for it, and if you're using Windows there is an Explorer extension (TortoiseSVN) that allows you to do all your operations right from Windows Explorer. There's a lot of SVN tools out there for every OS, it's very well supported. SVN also integrates with TRAC (a bug tracking system), and Bugzilla so you can tie your work tickets to code.

I will say that [HOW you use version control is probably just as, if not more important than which package you use][2]. Using it simply as a library is a very rudimentary application of it, but for a 1-2 man team making a website or an app where you won't be maintaining builds and versions, you'll be ok.

When it comes to version control, anything is better than nothing.

Jerzakie