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It is quite easy to load HTML content from your custom URLs/Web services using JQuery or any other similar framework. I've used this approach many times and till now and found the performance satisfactory.

But all the books, all the experts are trying to get me to use JSON instead of generated HTML. How's it much more superior than HTML?

Is it very much faster?
Does it have a very much lesser load on the server?

On the other side I have some reasons for using generated HTML.

  1. It's simple markup, and often just as compact or actually more compact than JSON.
  2. It's less error prone cause all you're getting is markup, and no code.
  3. It will be faster to program in most cases cause you won't have to write code separately for the client end.

Which side are you on and why?

+56  A: 

I'm a bit on both sides, actually :

  • When what I need on the javascript side is data, I use JSON
  • When what I need on the javascript side is presentation on which I will not do any calculation, I generally use HTML

The main advantage of using HTML is when you want to replace a full portion of your page with what comes back from the Ajax request :

  • Re-building a portion of page in JS is (quite) hard
  • You probably already have some templating engine on the server side, that was used to generate the page in the first place... Why not reuse it ?

I generally don't really take into consideration the "performance" side of things, at least on the server :

  • On the server, generating a portion of HTML or some JSON won't probably make that much of a difference
  • About the size of the stuff that goes through the network : well, you probably don't use hundreds of KB of data/html... Using gzip on whatever you are transferring is what's going to make the biggest difference (not choosing between HTML and JSON)
  • One thing that could be taken into consideration, though, is what resources you'll need on the client to recreate the HTML (or the DOM structure) from the JSON data... compare that to pushing a portion of HTML into the page ;-)

Finally, one thing that definitly matters :

  • How long will it take you to develop a new system that will send data as JSON + code the JS required to inject it as HTML into the page ?
  • How long will it take to just return HTML ? And how long if you can re-use some of your already existing server-side code ?


And to answer another answer : if you need to update more than one portion of the page, there is still the solution/hack of sending all those parts inside one big string that groups several HTML portions, and extract the relevant parts in JS.

For instance, you could return some string that looks like this :

<!-- MARKER_BEGIN_PART1 -->
here goes the html
code for part 1
<!-- MARKER_END_PART1 -->
<!-- MARKER_BEGIN_PART2 -->
here goes the html
code for part 2
<!-- MARKER_END_PART2 -->
<!-- MARKER_BEGIN_PART3 -->
here goes the json data
that will be used to build part 3
from the JS code
<!-- MARKER_END_PART3 -->

That doesn't look really good, but it's definitly useful (I've used it quite a couple of times, mostly when the HTML data were too big to be encapsulated into JSON) : you are sending HTML for the portions of the page that need presentation, and you are sending JSON for the situation you need data...

... And to extract those, the JS substring method will do the trick, I suppose ;-)

Pascal MARTIN
All data is ultimately presentation.
Cyril Gupta
@Cyril: Huh? I think you are trying to say that data, to be useful, has to be used and thus presented somewhere in some form, and I agree. But to say that data **is** presentation seems misguided, at the very least.
Vinko Vrsalovic
Hi Vinko, notice the 'ultimately'? I mean exactly what you mean. Just trying to get into the book of quotable quotes here. Ha ha!
Cyril Gupta
Still, I got your meaning but I disagree with the phrase in this context. Data to be useful has to be presented, but that doesn't mean that JSON and HTML are equivalent because, in the end they are both data (or presentation?).
Vinko Vrsalovic
The basic question is whether you are absolutely, positively, ultimately sure you will not be using this data for anything but HTML. Because once packed into HTML, the data will be nearly unrecoverable. With JSON your backend can work with XML, SVG, database engines, cross-site API and a thousand other frontends and systems that can accept JSON. With HTML, you will be only able to use it in within HTML.
SF.
@SF: When returning HTML from the server, I make sure to split the HTML generating code from the code that accesses the database. That way I can easily add a JSON form as well.
Casebash
+1  A: 

If the response needs no further client-side processing, HTML is OK in my opinion. Sending JSON will only force you to do that client-side processing.

On the other hand, I use JSON when I don't want to use all the response data at once. For example, I have a series of three chained selects, where the selected value of one determines which values are going to be used for populating the second, and so on.

Ionuț G. Stan
+1  A: 

Depending on your UI, you may need to update two (or more) different elements in your DOM. If your response is in HTML, are you going to parse that to figure out what goes where? Or you can just use a JSON hash.

You can even combine it, return a JSON w/ html data :)

{ 'dom_ele_1' : '<p>My HTML part 1</p>', 'dome_ele_2' : '<div>Your payment has been received</div>' }
A: 

IMV, it's all about separating the data from the presentation of the data, but I'm with Pascal, it doesn't necessarily follow that that separation can only be across the client/server boundary. If you have that separation already (on the server) and just want to show something to the client, whether you send back JSON and post-process it on the client, or just send back HTML, depends entirely on your needs. To say you're "wrong" to send back HTML in the general case is just far too blanket a statement IMV.

T.J. Crowder
I think that kind of spam-ignature is not appropriate just leave the ads on your profile, and if your answers are good, people will go look at it.
Vinko Vrsalovic
-1 real sad span-ignature
redsquare
That's just my normal sig. If it's unusual here, I'll drop the tagline at the end.
T.J. Crowder
See anybody else with one?
redsquare
@reqsquare: Way to be welcoming to the new guy. I said I'd drop the tagline, why bang on about it?
T.J. Crowder
I agree. Welcome T J. You got my +1 for being a good sport.
Cyril Gupta
+18  A: 

I mainly agree with the opinions stated here. I just wanted to summarize them as:

  • It is bad practice to send HTML if you end up parsing it client-side to do some calculations over it.

  • It is bad practice to send JSON if all you'll end up doing is to incorporate it into the page's DOM tree.

Vinko Vrsalovic
A: 

Sending json is generally done when you have a javascript widget requesting information from the server, such as a list or a tree view or an autocomplete. This is when I would send JSON as it is data that will be parsed and used raw. However if your just gonna show HTML then its a lot less work to generate it server side and just show it on the browser. Browsers are optimized for inserting HTML directly into the dom with innerHTML = "" so you can't go wrong with that.

Zoidberg
A: 

JSON is very versatil and lightweight format. I have discovered its beauty when I have started to use it as a client side template parser data. Let me explain, while before I was using smarty and views on server side (generating high server load), now I use some custom jquery functions and all the data is rendered on client side, using clients browser as template parser. it saves server resourses and on another hand browsers improve their JS engines every day. So the speed of client parsing is not an important issue right now, even more, JSON objects are ususally very small so they don't consume a lot of client side resourses. I prefer to have a slow website for some users with slow browser rather than slow site for everyone because of very loaded server.

On another hand, sending pure data from server you abstract it from presentation so, if tomorrow you want to change it or integrate your data into another service you can do it much easier.

Just my 2 cents.

Mike
And how do you ensure you get a readable page when javascript is disabled?
Vinko Vrsalovic
if JS is disabled you will not be able to load html as well. JS is disabled on 2.3% of users according to my Google Analytics stats. The best way to go down is to try to please everyone.
Mike
A: 

I think it depends on the structure of the design, it's just more sexy to use JSON than HTML but the question is how would one handle it so it can be easily to maintain.

For example, say I have the listing page that utilize the same html/style of the entire site, I would write the global function to format those portions of HTML and all I have to do is passing the JSON object into the function.

Methee