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There must be a way to delete data in SQL Server w/o overloading the log

Answer 1

+2 A:

One trick I have used depending on the size of the data I'm keeping vs. the amount I'm deleting is to:

select all the "data to keep" into another table (just for temporary storage)
truncate the original table
insert all the data from the temp storage table back into the original

It works well if the amount you are keeping is smaller than what you are deleting.

A similar option if all the database files are on the same disk (data and logs) and the data to be deleted is about half of the data, would be to export the "data to keep" to a file on a separate drive using the bcp command line utility, then truncate and insert the data file with bcp again.

I've seen the DBAs take the database offline, backup the logs, turn off the logging and do it that way but that seems like a lot of hassle. :-)

Ron

Ron Savage 2009-09-19 16:25:59

Well, I doubt I have enough room for that either since that would be about the same as what the log is growing to (need to delete about half the data). As I understand it, with oracle you can just say "with nolog" and delete some data. I can't believe there's no way to do something so simple in SQL Server.

dudeNumber4 2009-09-19 20:47:19

You're correct, all operations are logged in SQL Server.

GilaMonster 2009-09-21 08:53:03

Answer 2

A:

If your recovery setting is set to Full, you might try doing a transaction log backup to clear the log just before the delete.

Matt Wrock 2009-09-19 16:35:48

Maybe I misunderstand, but even if the log is near empty at the start of the process, it gets way too big during the deletion. The problem is that the servers (both QA and production) are getting low on space. We've decided on a new strategy that will greatly reduce the amount of data we need to warehouse, but we need to get rid of the historical data first.

dudeNumber4 2009-09-19 20:44:08

Is there any reason why you can't set the recovery model for the database to BULK LOGGED or SIMPLE while you are deleting, then reset it to the normal state afterward?

Jen A 2009-09-21 21:42:08

It already is simple where I'm running this

dudeNumber4 2009-09-22 02:06:09

Answer 3

+3 A:

Do the delete in chunks, but rather than trying to shrink the log between times, do log backups between the chunks (that is if you're in full recovery)

The problem is that the log is full and hence has to grow. If it's full, trying to shrink it is useless, there's no free space in the log to release to the OS. What you need to do instead is make the space inside the file available for reuse.

Since the DB is in simple recovery, run the delete in chunks with a CHECKPOINT command in between each chunk. You can't do log backups in Simple recovery

Here's sample code that does deletes without filling the log (in simple recovery). DO NOT wrap this in a custom transaction. That completely defeats the point of deleting in batches as the log can't be cleared until the entire transaction commits.

(SQL 2005 and above. For SQL 2000, remove TOP and use SET ROWCOUNT)

DECLARE @Done BIT
SET @Done = 0
WHILE @Done = 0
  BEGIN
    DELETE TOP (20000) -- reduce if log still growing
      FROM SomeTable WHERE SomeColumn = SomeValue 
    IF @@ROWCOUNT = 0 
      SET @Done = 1
    CHECKPOINT -- marks log space reusable in simple recovery
  END

To understand log management, take a look at this article - http://www.sqlservercentral.com/articles/64582/

GilaMonster 2009-09-21 08:51:55

When I read the docs on CHECKPOINT, it says this happens on a log backup with TRUNCATE_ONLY.backup log 'db_name' with TRUNCATE_ONLY has the same effect - squat.So everything (including the backup log statements) is rolled up into one gigantic transaction which is useless in my case. I need the effect of executing the 'go' command without losing the context of my loop (can't have 'go' in the middle of a loop).

dudeNumber4 2009-09-21 14:24:51

You don't need GO in the middle of the loop. GO has nothing to do with transactions, it's a batch-terminatorJust don't declare an explicit transaction and SQL will do each delete in its own transaction and allow the log to be truncated afterwards, by a checkpoint

GilaMonster 2009-09-21 17:16:51

Can you post the code you're using for 'chunking' the deletes, as well as the results of the following query for the DB in questionSELECT name, log_reuse_wait_desc FROM sys.databasesI've done this kind of batched deleting hundreds of times, so it can work.

GilaMonster 2009-09-21 17:18:19

The query returns NOTHING every time I've run it. Following is pseudocode:declare cursoropen cursorWHILE fetch BEGIN declare memory table of ids populate this table with ids of related rows to delete delete rows from 8 related tables where id in (select id from memory table) -- Neither below has any effect. All iterations of loop are run in one -- big transaction run shrinkfile on log / backup with TRUNCATE_ONLY delete from @ids fetch next from cursorend

dudeNumber4 2009-09-22 02:20:30

-- This formatted better?declare cursor;open cursor;WHILE fetch BEGIN declare memory table of ids; populate this table with ids of related rows to delete; delete rows from 8 related tables where id in (select id from memory table); -- Neither below has any effect. All iterations of loop are run in one -- big transaction run shrinkfile on log / backup with TRUNCATE_ONLY; delete from @ids; fetch next from cursor;end

dudeNumber4 2009-09-22 02:22:24

Ok, the fact that you have the thing in one big transaction is the problem. In an explicit transaction the log cannot be truncated until the entire transaction commits, completely negating the point of deleting in chunks. I'm going to edit my original answer to include code that does work to do large deleted without killing the log

GilaMonster 2009-09-22 07:10:04

I didn't mean that I wrapped my code in a transaction; I meant that it seemed as if SQL Server was implicitly wrapping my code in a transaction since it seemed as if it was never getting to the backup log statement (which, as you say, wouldn't have worked or would be ignored on a database with simple recovery). Tried your checkpoint approach and it worked; thanks! Will switch to backup with truncate_only in production. Seems even more problematic for SQL Server that truncate_only is deprecated and will be removed in future versions. Then what will be the solution for such a problem if any?

dudeNumber4 2009-09-23 14:16:25

DO NOT use backup with truncate only in production. It breaks the recovery chain of the database and can leave you unable to restore to point-in-time if necessary. If the DB is in full recovery, it is in full recovery for a reason and that is point-in-time recovery. In production use log backups, to disk, or switch the DB to simple temporarily, back to full after and immediately take a full backup. Speak with your DBA on this, make sure they're happy (data recoverability is their job)

GilaMonster 2009-09-23 20:43:25

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