So my problem is NOT with getting the objects to work with IE. I have a way to get rid of the borders and scrollbars (I think). The real problem is having links inside an object which target the whole screen frame. Even with target="_top" and _parent it just keeps targeting itself in IE... even in IE8.
Here is a demonstration of it on a site I just started working on. Try it with IE and any other browser. http://thestoryf.webs.com/trip/news.htm
The whole thing at the top is an an object frame. The 6 buttons are the links that should be targeting the entire page and not just itself.
Is there a way to fix it, or do I just go for iframes and have invalid XHTML?