Designing/Implementing MVC from Scratch

+2 A:

There are plenty of frameworks to help you with this. I would recommend using CakePHP, http://www.cakephp.org. It has good documentation, a large community and a lot of tutorials!

dale 2010-02-13 21:29:53

Please note that most of current PHP "MVC" frameworks implements something that's not a true MVC. In other words: they implement that pattern wrong. At least Symfony/ZF/Kohana doesn't handle it. I'm pretty sure CakePHP (I've never used it) doesn't implement it correct as well.

Crozin 2010-02-13 21:37:46

Thanks for your reply Dale. I saw CakePHP as one of many frameworks available for PHP. I will start researching that now. Just curious though, is designing MVC from scratch that difficult? Thanks again for recommending CakePHP

01010011 2010-02-13 21:43:07

@Crozin, thanks for your reply. How did you learn MVC: from scratch or a framework? Which will benefit the beginner more? Which framework would you recommend if any? Thanks for your insight

01010011 2010-02-13 21:48:25

@dale, CakePHP looks interesting

01010011 2010-02-13 22:04:09

@dale, CakePHP's documentation looks good so far

01010011 2010-02-13 22:24:36

@01010011: I've learnt from the scratch.You asked me what PHP FW I could recommend. Well... I'm using [Symfony](http://symfony-project.org) - it's a really good and powerful FW with great community.I think it's a better idea to learn from scratch cause it's important to know how some things work. When you're learning form FW you learn only how to use these "tools", not how they work. Such basic knowledge is required for every programmer.

Crozin 2010-02-13 22:56:52

@Crozin, I will look at symfony, thanks. Can you recommend any tutorials for learning from scratch for the beginner?

01010011 2010-02-13 23:13:34

+1 A:

There is no quick path for this.

If you really want to build an MVC, go over some existing ones. Read their documentation and try understanding why they made certain choices (security, robustness, etc).

You will find here a good list of existing MVCs.

Am 2010-02-13 21:30:15

@Am, I'm reading the CakePHP now and it looks interesting.

01010011 2010-02-13 22:06:23

+2 A:

A good tutorial to understand how MVC works is this one. It shows you how to create a framework from scratch but I'd suggest you use an existing framework if you want to do something more complex.

Ed 2010-02-13 21:55:21

@eduardoks, thanks for your reply and the link. I am diving head first into CakePHP and when I am ready, then I will spend time trying to create MVC on my own.

01010011 2010-02-14 02:43:04

+1 A:

When you want to do MVC the first time, you do not start from scratch. CakePHP is a really good recommendation by Dale to start with. When you have done it many times and understand what MVC is about, then you will be able to implement an MVC without a framework.

sibidiba 2010-02-14 01:16:47

Thanks for your reply @sibidiba. Judging from your repsonce it sounds like MVC is complicated, especially for beginners. I am new to PHP. When I think about this MVC, I thinking in terms of C++ classes and how to modularize my code to seperate the 3 parts. Yeah, I like the documentation so far, logged onto the IRC chat already, and I cannot wait to see what CakePHP is like.

01010011 2010-02-14 02:41:13

MVC is not complicated at all. I guess you already know the concept of it. But it is different to use, and to implement an MVC framework. For the latter you have to deeply understand MVC's concept, and the language you are working with, and the typical usage scenarios.Never ever start from scratch, except if you really, really have to.Thinking that your code without any prior experience will be better and cleaner and more functional then the well tested code of dozens of experienced programmers is a mistake every programmer (including me) makes way too often.

sibidiba 2010-02-14 20:24:24

For CakePHP, this is a great resource: http://book.cakephp.org/And this: http://api13.cakephp.org/classesWhat I really like in CakePHP, that is is so simple, that you can easily look into its source code when you are in doubt how it works.

sibidiba 2010-02-14 20:25:53

+1 A:

This could be a good starting point: MVC in PHP is a tutorial covering the basics of MVC.

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