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In Python, the built-in functions all and any return True and False respectively for empty iterables. I realise that if it were the other way around, this question could still be asked. But I'd like to know why that specific behaviour was chosen. Was it arbitrary, ie. could it just as easily have been the other way, or is there an underlying reason?

(The reason I ask is simply because I never remember which is which, and if I knew the rationale behind it then I might. Also, curiosity.)

+16  A: 

How about some analogies...

You have a sock drawer, but it is currently empty. Does it contain any black sock? No - you don't have any socks at all so you certainly don't have a black one. Clearly any([]) must return false - if it returned true this would be counter-intuitive.

The case for all([]) is slightly more difficult. See the Wikipedia article on vacuous truth. Another analogy: If there are no people in a room then everyone in that room can speak French.

Mathematically all([]) can be written:

where the set A is empty.

There is considerable debate about whether vacuous statements should be considered true or not, but from a logical viewpoint it makes the most sense:

The main argument that all vacuously true statements are true is as follows: As explained in the article on logical conditionals, the axioms of propositional logic entail that if P is false, then P => Q is true. That is, if we accept those axioms, we must accept that vacuously true statements are indeed true.

Also from the article:

There seems to be no direct reason to pick true; it’s just that things blow up in our face if we don’t.

Defining a "vacuously true" statement to return false in Python would violate the principle of least astonishment.

Mark Byers
Clearly Python needs a `FileNotFound` value for just these situations.
detly
Also there not any person in the room that can speak French.
Dave Kirby
nicely put by a man with more than the average number of arms
gnibbler
I understand the concept, but all this says is that it's arbitrary. I was wondering whether there was an authoritative reason why the choice was made the way it was.
detly
But one of them *does* return `False`.
detly
@detly: If you prefer to think about it from the implementation point of view as in the you accepted that's fine too, I just find it easier this way. :-P I like to have an analogy. Perhaps some other users prefer to have an analogy so I will leave my answer here to help others.
Mark Byers
Oh sure, the more information the better. It's an interesting answer, I just preferred the other rationalisation.
detly
@detly: "all this says is that it's arbitrary". Wrong. All this says that it's *intuitive*. Not arbitrary. When you try the opposite definitions logic stops working intuitively. The point is that there's an alternative to True, False: None. Which makes more philosophical sense but less mathematical sense.
S.Lott
@S Lott - that comment was made a few revisions ago, since then it's been fleshed out more - I'd certainly agree now.
detly
"Are _all_ eleven-legged cats vampires? Yes -- _all_ 0 of them." "Is there _any_ eleven-legged vampire cat? No, there are isn't _any_."
badp
@badp - I don't think I'll forget that. Not for a while.
detly
@detly: just wait until people pull rule 34 on it.
badp
@badp - why why why
detly
Thanks for the half hour excursion into wikipedia following vacuous truth. Bertand was quite the ladies man. Hope for the math geeks if they could just find his equation for love.
Martlark
+8  A: 

One property of any is its recursive definition

any([x,y,z,...]) == (x or any([y,z,...]))

That means

x == any([x]) == (x or any([]))

The equality is correct for any x if and only if any([]) is defined to be False. Similar for all.

KennyTM
+2  A: 

I think of them as being implemented this way

def all(seq):
    for item in seq:
        if not item:
            return False
    return True

def any(seq):
    for item in seq:
        if item:
            return True
    return False

not sure they are implemented that way though

gnibbler
+1  A: 

For general interest, here's the blog post in which GvR proposes any/all with a sample implementation like gnibbler's and references quanifiers in ABC.

ars
+2  A: 

Perl 6 also takes the position that all() and any() on empty lists should serve as sane base-cases for their respective reduction operators, and therefore all() is true and any() is false.

That is to say, all(a, b, c) is equivalent to [&] a, b, c, which is equivalent to a & b & c (reduction on the "junctive and" operator, but you can ignore junctions and consider it a logical and for this post), and any(a, b, c) is equivalent to [|] a, b, c, which is equivalent to a | b | c (reduction on the "junctive or" operator -- again, you can pretend it's the same as logical or without missing anything).

Any operator which can have reduction applied to it needs to have a defined behavior when reducing 0 terms, and usually this is done by having a natural identity element -- for instance, [+]() (reduction of addition across zero terms) is 0 because 0 is the additive identity; adding zero to any expression leaves it unchanged. [*]() is likewise 1 because 1 is the multiplicative identity. We've already said that all is equivalent to [&] and any is equivalent to [|] -- well, truth is the and-identity, and falsity is the or-identity -- x and True is x, and x or False is x. This makes it inevitable that all() should be true and any() should be false.

To put it in an entirely different (but practical) perspective, any is a latch that starts off false and becomes true whenever it sees something true; all is a latch that starts off true and becomes false whenever it sees something false. Giving them no arguments means giving them no chance to change state, so you're simply asking them what their "default" state is. :)

hobbs
A: 

any and all have the same meaning in python as everywhere else:

  • any is true if at least one is true
  • all is not true if at least one is not true
zvonimir
Those definitions are sort of "after the fact" though...
detly
@detly On the contrary, what I wrote is pure logic, much older than any programming language. The implementation comes after the logic.
zvonimir
@detly Real-file example: Are there **any** black cats on Mars? No, because there are no cats there. Are **all** cats on Mars black? Yes, every cat on Mars is black.
zvonimir
Okay, I see what you mean now.
detly