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I created an app for the bus system at my university and they want to buy it off me. Problem is, I have absolutely no idea what to offer. Its nearly completed, and once they buy it i would be brought on as a student employee making $25 an hour. They would want me to hire someone else to start on an iPhone version, and implement other features. Its an app everyone with a droid would use, since its sorely needed. 20,000 people go here, and most of them have smart phones. If anyone has any advice, or a reference they could give me it would be greatly appreciated.

+2  A: 

One word "royalties". Depending on your situation it might be better to simply ask for a small royalty for each copy distributed. Or you can sell them the exclusive distribution rights for a set amount and then charge an additional, much smaller royalty for each copy distributed. Whatever you can negotiate that ends up costing them far less than it would cost for to develop the app is also a win for both of you. Don't be greedy, but DON'T sell yourself short either. Anyone can code, not everyone can design, code, test, and launch... hope this helps.

As for an amount... it is too tough to really pin it down, depending on your financial situation $5,000 could be huge, or nothing. Or $20,000 could be astronomical and a deal-breaker... but then again, Microsoft originally bought DOS from a Seattle programmer for $20,000 and they did not change it much before launching it as MS-DOS...

exoboy
its to a school, and they wouldnt sell it on the market. I would also love to give them the whole thing which would mean i would work on it less since we have a whole engineering department here. My key problem is i dont want to sound too greedy.
Evan Kimia
Then a royalty might be the way to go... Anything around $1 a copy is certainly acceptable in this industry. Especially if there are no guarantee of the product's longevity or amount of distribution. Whatever you do, make sure you at least get a signed agreement stating what they are paying for and how long the agreement will last. If they release Widget 1.5 does that mean you only get royalties on Widget 1.0?
exoboy
sorry, i meant the school would have it on the market, but it would be for free for all the students.
Evan Kimia
Even if it is free for students you should get a small royalty. It does not matter how they distribute it, free or otherwise. You should be justly compensated. Not knowing what you app does I really doubt anyone can give you a hard-and-fast number that any app would be worth in your situation... so, while this page is not stricly software, it gives you some other industry royalty comparisons. http://www.inventionstatistics.com/Licensing_Royalty_Rates.html
exoboy
If they don't intend to sell that app to other Universities, keep that right to yourself. There is no point in giving something away that they're not going to use. Also, if you want to keep the right to use any modifications you make while a contractor, put it in the contract, or chose some kind of GPL license. $25 an hour really seems like a low ball offer thought, you're not just some student assistant. At my University, we used to pay $350 an hour, for follow-up work, to the original designer who designed the (very nice) logo of one of the large laboratories we were managing.
Stephan Branczyk
+2  A: 

Is there a chance that other universities might want it as well? Perhaps you could sell non-exclusive rights to your University and retain the rights to sell it to others?

Another possibility is to negotiate a deal where they buy it from you and agree to pay you 50% of the revenue when it is sold to another university.

Of course this depends on whether you think anyone else might be interested in it.

JonnyBoats
personally, i would want them to have all the rights. I am hired as a student employee upon sale, and they would hire more people to help me. Right now only I have been working on it, and being a student and doing this has taken up alot of time. Selling it outright would be better for me in the long run.
Evan Kimia
Don't sell yourself short. The fact that it took a lot of your time to make this is the main reason why you should get at least some compensation. Some kind of legal counsel is definitely recommended here due to software licensing intricacies. You want to help the University, but make sure you get due credit.
Austyn Mahoney
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You are the only one who can truly answer this question. Why? Because no one here knows that app better than yourself. Only you know how much time, energy, and money was invested in this project; therefore you are the only one qualified to determine the final dollar amount.

If you are already near the end of the development cycle, getting paid $25/hour wont do much to properly reflect the app's worth, so I suggest:

(estimated time planning + estimated time designing + estimated time coding) * 25.00 = net app worth

Moses
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Calculate Worth & Cost

How much did it cost you to develop it in hours and equipment? Put in a 'risk' factor since you made this investment before making a deal.

For example, you value your time at $25/hr. If you spent 50 hrs working on it and you used $2000 worth of computer equipment, you can estimate your cost at $1250 + $2000 or $3250. Given that you risked your investment because there was no certainty it would be bought, you should put a risk factor of 5x or so on that. E.g. $16250 is reasonable.

Now, how much would it take the university to redevelop now that they have the concept, know it's valuable, and know what the solution looks like? It sucks that you essentially 'educated' them for free, but the reality is they will have this in the back of their minds. If they are convinced that 'Joe Coder' is able to reproduce your work just as well with no management overhead and no risk for 40 hours at $12/hr they're going to peg the 'worth' of your work at $480.

So, either you're going to be negotiating with someone who doesn't want to try and find 'Joe Coder' and doesn't want to manage a project (or doesn't want to manage a potential failure) or not. This person will swing between a 'fair' value of $480 and $16250 based purely on their point of view. You're going to have to figure out which side of this estimation they are on and do your best. Don't be surprised if they offer you $1000 plus $25/hr from now on and feel they are totally fair.

In The Future

This would be why 'non-disclosure' and signed agreements before coding starts are popular in the software development industry :-) Most people have no idea how much time & effort really gets poored into software development projects. And its a fact of life that 'rip-off' reproductions of existing solutions are cheaper because the 2nd developer is walking straight from beginning to end with a map in hand.

You'll also find that as a 'young individual', the risk of you being upset with the deal causing a ruckus is considered small. However, having spoken to a lawyer and inserting the fact that you have some form of legal advisor into the negotiations can work wonders on improving their willingness to consider your point of view.

I bought a house a 23. The bank gave us a terrible time because they didn't want to offer a mortgage to college kids. After six months of run-around, we spend $120 on a legal consultation. Telling the bankers 'on the advice of my lawyer, I have to...' resulted in closing six months of negations in three short hours. In your case, insisting on a contract and saying 'I'm going to have my lawyer review this' should do the trick.

Jay
That may be true, but let's not forget, this guy has first mover advantage. His app is going to have the best rating in the Market, and the most number of loyal followers. The University can develop a clone of his app, but most students/faculty/staff will be wondering why this particular department is wasting their money duplicating the functionality of an app that already existed else where. If I were him, I'd bring this app to the attention of other departments and other businesses to see if they would be interested in buying it instead (I'd try the Chamber of Commerce, City Hall, etc.).
Stephan Branczyk
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Look up your location on the different salary websites. Also check your government pay scales. Then start adding costs:

  • cost of equipment
  • cost of internet
  • cost of taxes
  • cost of accountants
  • cost of lawyer (you need a lawyer)
  • cost of insurances (health, life, etc)

Then, add a factor related to self-employment - your "expected duty cycle". If you work 50% of the time, double your "salaried" wage, since you will be unemployed 50% of the time and have to compensate.

Then, add a risk factor - how likely are you to be not get work? get laid off? etc.

Then add the profit factor.

Don't be shy about rating your skills. $25/hr is your "base wage". I'd expect you to rate your sole-employment work over $50/hr.

Paul Nathan