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I worked as an in-house programmer for 7 years before developing severe burnout and decided to take 6 months off for a surfing holiday. At the time, a recruiter told me I would have no problem finding work when I returned, considering my skills and experience.

Six months turned into two years as I explored different parts of the world and now I am trying to find a full time job. I have gone on a few interviews lately but have not received any job offers and recruiters are becoming frustrated with the responses they are getting from employers about my candidacy and do not seem to be submitting me for any new openings.

Although I have an impressive record from my earlier experience, employers seem to have a lot of questions about the "freshness" of my technology skills and about my "stability" and "seriousness". This is making me very pessimistic about finding work, especially with the direction of the economy.

Is there anything I can say or do to make employers more comfortable with me? How can I get around this problem?

+4  A: 

Work on a personal project that has technical relevance to the jobs you want. If e try to sell it/market it - even as free software.

This gives you something to put on your resume and also gives you lots to talk about in interviews.

Talk about it as a sabbatical. The good news is that you are back at it after considering other alternatives and you know you want to still develop software.

My return to full-time work after taking a year off was a little uneasy also. I interviewed at Microsoft after not having done any coding or designing for a full year. It did not work out too well. One of the team of 5 apparently overruled the 3 in favor and one abstain. Oh well.

I also screwed up chances at other places by suggesting I could work part-time. At the time it sounded like a good idea. Form the employer's perspective I sounded like an idiot.

Again, pick some technically challenging thing that you are interested in and develop something. Design, code, test, etc. If will give you a lot to talk about.

Keep interviewing and talking. Tell the recruiter what you are doing. Also tell the recruiter you will be happy to consider a one month trial period - to reduce the risk for employers. Doesn;t mean much, but addressing the issue might help.

Tim
+1  A: 

I think you might be suffering from the current ecconomic climate, I think before you went on your holiday the econmic situation was good enough that had you gotten back from a 6 month holiday you might have been fine.

Now it's just harder to get a job, and people are hiring the people with current skills, or just not hiring.

It's a shame, I'd quite like to take some time off to travel, or teach in a third world country or something.

  1. Try contributing to an open source project, you are unemployed and have spare programming time, it will keep you up to date.

  2. Work freelance.

  3. Try to come up with a project and publish it, some kind of tool that will make people go oh you are the guy who did that, wow!

  4. Go into acedemia for a little bit, do a masters/Phd or whatever, at least then the Gap in your skills was a year or two ago and you've been in education. People might over look your period of absence if you've spent a year or two studying. Also you might just get a higher pay check? unless they suddenly start rejecting you because you are "Too Qualified"...

Omar Kooheji
+6  A: 

Stop trying to work for someone who would take an issue with that. You obviously want to lead a lifestyle that doesn't involve being locked in a cubicle - so why not honor that and play on your strengths?

Have you considered freelancing/consulting? Like the others say, perhaps making your own product/business would be a good solution. Freelancing could be the means to accomplish that.

http://freelanceswitch.com/

http://www.rentacoder.com

http://www.elance.com/

BPAndrew
+1 for rentacoder, that's a great idea
annakata
Interesting. Would I be competing with low-cost Indian and Russian programmers on those sites or are they mainly for US workers?
Michael Jarvis
You would but there are people on there willing to pay top dollar for someone who does good work and understands what they want. I don't know if I'd start that way today.. just giving some example starting points.
BPAndrew
also, I wouldn't frame this as 'lost credibility' - what did you lose? you just explored other parts of your life. I'd rather hire the programmer who had a balanced life and came back to the craft out of pure interest over someone who did it 'just to get paid'.
BPAndrew
I agree. If only hiring managers thought that way. They seem to be looking at me more as a "flight risk". Maybe I've just been unlucky. Of those sites you mentioned, is there one that is better than the others? Have you used any of them? Thanks for the tip. I didn't know about those sites.
Michael Jarvis
I used rentacoder years and years ago - http://tr.im/8h8e - I took some jobs for very low pay to get experience and I got some contacts through there - I don't know if this is your best starting point today.
BPAndrew
In your community you should be able to find a small business who needs your skills. Also seek out local people who are successful in the ways that you want and ask them lots of questions - build your network.
BPAndrew
Thanks for the follow up. I read your reviews. You must be quite the force of nature. I'm going to keep pounding the pavement, for lack of a choice. Actually started checking out local stuff thru Craigslist although it's hard to know who's a recruiter and who's a legitimate business. Thanks again.
Michael Jarvis
Haven't used these services personally, but from what I've seen, they don't look too promising. You should also read this blog entry on Coding Horror: http://www.codinghorror.com/blog/archives/001190.html.
Mun
+3  A: 

OK I'd never advocate lying to an employer, but there are definitely ways you can spin your situation. Maybe don't be so totally honest?

Also I'm answering because I was in EXACTLY your situation (after an 18 month sabbatical, finished about 3 years ago), when asked questions on the lines of "How do we know you won't get itchy feet again". I'd often make a joke out of it ("I'm using a powder for it now"), but say that I'd worked the traveling bug out of my system.

I'm Irish, and I think the most effective thing I said to prospective Irish employers was "The foreign girls are all lovely, but I want to settle with an Irish girl"

It was something they could connect with (we all know that our own "insert nationality here" people are the best in the world), and it was true - that I wanted to settle down with an Irish girl that is.

The economic environment was better, but I still did 10 - 15 interviews over 2 months or so before finding work.

Binary Worrier
When the average programmer only hangs around at a job for a year or so, I can't figure out why employers always think they're the special ones that can keep people forever.
Brian Knoblauch
I like your quips. Humor is a good strategy.
Michael Jarvis
P.S. Best of luck mate, let us know how you get on
Binary Worrier
Plus, your willingness to take on an Irish girl, with all the neuroses pertaining thereto, shows the seriousness of your work ethic. ;)
rtperson
rtperson: Yes, I wanted one just like Mother . . . (you know the noise Sideshow Bob makes when he steps on a rake, make that noise now). That said, me Ma was a dote, and my wife is an angel - first anniversary in April :)
Binary Worrier
+3  A: 

Personally, I wouldn't WANT to work in a place that would disqualify me because I took an extended vacation. I would want to work somewhere a bit more progressive, where, if I decided to take some serious time off, my next employer would understand that my work (rather, his work) is not my entire life. Sounds like you're barking up pointy-haired-boss trees here. A GOOD boss would understand the desire to take some time off to relax, and may even appreciate the effort it took you to get to that point, financially. That said, two years WAS an excessive amount of time to take off. Make no mistake, the impression that the length of time gives is entirely your own fault.

Some employers say that they'd like to see open source work, your own work, etc, etc, on your resume. I find that it doesn't make that much difference in the real world. And regardless of what Gosuda is telling you, it's not a substitute for actual work. Don't count on software contributions to free products to pull your arse out of the fire.

Here's what I would do, in no particular order:

  1. Find somewhere that you wouldn't be working for a suit who'll disqualify you based on a 30 second description of the last two years of your life.

1b. Failing that (and since this is obviously a serious problem for you), I'd cloud my description of the last two years. Like someone said, call it a sabbatical or something and leave it at that. Your new employer doesn't need to know that you took two years off to surf; honestly, that's not actually any of their business if you don't want it to be.

  1. Start working on freelance/contract projects, hard-core. This is at least work experience, and those who are outsourcing their projects don't typically care what you've been up to in the recent past.

  2. Go back to school and take some programming courses (whether you need them or not). This will demonstrate that you are serious about brushing up on your skills and really want to get back into it. You'll also seem less flighty, because you've invested significant time and money into improving yourself to get a new job.

DannySmurf
I've done the "take a break for a few months thing" and haven't run into any resistance from the various potential employers I talked to due to it.
Brian Knoblauch
The kind of utopian boss you're describing here is rare - the OP is a risky hire. He might be gone in a year, leaving you in the lurch.Your cautionary advice about open-source work, personal projects, however is a good caveat but clouding things won't work. An employer will prod for details.
Utopian, yes. That may be rare, but then the OP is having incredible difficulty finding a job with non-utopian bosses, isn't he? So he may have to look for utopia now.An employer who prods too far in an interview is someone I probably wouldn't want to work for. My personal life is my own.
DannySmurf
In the past I might have felt confident enough to resist an interviewer's prodding for info but, honestly, I feel so broken down lately I feel like I should tell them whatever they want to know. I agree with your approach in principle but right now I really need a job and am not feeling very choosy.
Michael Jarvis
MJ, I also agree in principle with DS' advice but it works better in good times than in bad. You sound like you really need to get going with something right now for your financial and psychological well-being. Beggars can't be choosers. Right now you should take whatever you can get, utopian or not
It's true beggars can't be choosers. But if the situation is actually that of a beggar here (not enough info for me to say of course), then maybe it's time to expand horizons and take a different type of job for now. That puts him in a better position for better interviews later (he can be choosier)
DannySmurf
A: 

I hate to sound patronizing, but have you ever stopped to question what lead to the original burnout you mention? Perhaps having an understanding of it will help you to develop a more compelling pitch for recruiters or potential employers.

Even in the best of times, the employment marketplace isn't very tolerant of those that have followed a non-standard career path. Recruiters and hiring managers can be very judgmental about this, adopting the mindset that people just can't change or learn when it comes to managing their career. Call it groupthink, I don't think there's a better word for it. It's important to somehow rise above this, or develop a strategy that builds your capacity for persuasion. It's the journey, not the destination.

yacdmnky
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Where are you located? We're hiring, and the very fact that you know about this site is a good foot in the door :)

mmr
A: 

Figure out how to sell your services through a consulting firm where interviewing is more straightforward. They tend to care if they can get you billed and won't focus on the gaps as much.

I would also indicate on your resume that your surfing experience was an educational opportunity where you picked up new development skills.

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