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In my day job I, and others on my team write a lot of hardware models in Verilog-AMS, a language supported primarily by commercial vendors and a few opensource simulator projects. One thing that would make supporting each others code more helpful would be a LINTER that would check our code for common problems and assist with enforcing a shared code formatting style. I of course want to be able to add my own rules and, after I prove their utility to myself, promote them to the rest of the team.. I don't mind doing the work that has to be done, but of course also want to leverage the work of other existing projects.

Does having the allowed language syntax in a yacc or bison format give me a leg up? or should I just suck each language statement into a perl string, and use pattern matching to find the things I don't like?

(most syntax and compilation errors are easily caught by the commercial tools.. but we have some of our own extentions.)

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In trying to find my answer, I found this on ANTLR - might be of use

Chris Kimpton
Looks interesting.
jbdavid
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If you use Java at all (and thus IDEA), the IDE's extensions for custom languages might be of use

Chris Kimpton
My "IDE" is Cadence Library Manager + Nedit, with the (builtin) Verilog syntax highlighting, adding my own patterns to support Verilog-A and Verilog-AMS. I don't see much value in Java for the kind of work I'm doing.
jbdavid
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yacc/bison definitely gives you a leg up, since good linting would require parsing the program. Regex (true regex, at least) might cover trivial cases, but it is easy to write code that the regexes don't match but are still bad style.

Hank Gay
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ANTLR looks to be an alternative path to the more common (OK I heard about them before) YACC/BISON approach, which it turns out also commonly use LEX/FLEX as a front end.

a Quick read of the FLEX man page kind of make me think It could be the framework for that regex type of idea..

Ok.. I'll let this stew a little longer, then see how quickly I can build a prototype parser in one or the other.

and a little bit longer

jbdavid
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lex/flex and yacc/bison provide easy-to-use, well-understood lexer- and parser-generators, and I'd really recommend doing something like that as opposed to doing it procedurally in e.g. Perl. Regular expressions are powerful stuff for ripping apart strings with relatively-, but not totally-fixed structure. With any real programming language, the size of your state machine gets to be simply unmanageable with anything short of a Real Lexer/Parser (tm). Imagine dealing with all possible interleavings of keywords, identifiers, operators, extraneous parentheses, extraneous semicolons, and comments that are allowed in something like Verilog AMS, with regular expressions and procedural code alone.

There's no denying that there's a substantial learning curve there, but writing a grammar that you can use for flex and bison, and doing something useful on the syntax tree that comes out of bison, will be a much better use of your time than writing a ton of special-case string-processing code that's more naturally dealt with using a syntax-tree in the first place. Also, what you learn writing it this way will truly broaden your skillset in ways that writing a bunch of hacky Perl code just won't, so if you have the means, I highly recommend it ;-)

Also, if you're lazy, check out the Eclipse plugins that do syntax highlighting and basic refactoring for Verilog and VHDL. They're in an incredibly primitive state, last I checked, but they may have some of the code you're looking for, or at least a baseline piece of code to look at to better inform your approach in rolling your own.

Matt J
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I've written a couple verilog parsers and I would suggest PCCTS/ANTLR if your favorite programming language is C/C++/Java. There is a PCCTS/ANTLR Verilog grammar that you can start with. My favorite parser generator is Zebu which is based on Common Lisp.

Of course the big job is to specify all the linting rules. It makes sense to make some kind of language to specify the linting rules as well.

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Don't underestimate the amount of work that goes into a linter. Parsing is the easy part because you have tools (bison, flex, ANTLR/PCCTS) to automate much of it.

But once you have a parse, then what? You must build a semantic tree for the design. Depending on how complicated your inputs are, you must elaborate the Verilog-AMS design (i.e. resolving parameters, unrolling generates, etc. If you use those features). And only then can you try to implement rules.

I'd seriously consider other possible solutions before writing a linter, unless the number of users and potential time savings thereby justify the development time.

d3jones
Amen. See http://www.semanticdesigns.com/Products/DMS/DMSToolkit for generlized analysis machinery that goes beyond just parsing. DMS is used to construct custom tools. Even so, building a Linter for VerilogAMS would still be a pretty big task.
Ira Baxter