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Looking for a PHP and/or Python RAD

I am looking for RAD like environment for PHP and/or Python free or not does not matter.

It should have a visual environment where one can use a point and click interface so that it is possible to select objects with mouse and move them around.

I have looked at Delphi4PHP. The RAD part is fantastic, but I don't like the framework on which it is based VCL4PHP (vcl4php.sourceforge.net) is crappy. Just to deploy a simple Hello world application we will have to deploy 40MB of that framework. That is just stupid.....

I looked at Eclipse but it is only a code IDE. Does not have a visual way of designing a page/window. Did I miss any plugin that supports this feature?

I was suggested to give NetBeans IDE a close look so I also looked that up, but did not find what I wanted.

I have also looked up following but none of these are true RAD:

  • NuSphere PHPEd
  • VS PHP for Visual Studio
  • PHP Designer (not a designer by any means just a plain old IDE)

I have not been able to find any descent Python RAD tool also.

I have looked up Yes Software's Code Charge Studio (www.yessoftware.com) but it cannot be used to develop complicated applications like say for example an Accounting System or an Inventory Management App, etc.. It is useful but for very simple apps. Making changes to Visual part (referred as components by this people) is a nightmare. Finally it does not support Python.

Any suggestions please?

I am a bit desperate on this.

TIA

Regards,

Yogi Yang

+1  A: 

Delphi4PHP is the only I know of, back in the old days I also used Macromedia (now Adobe) Dreamweaver to generate some code, and if you set up a live site it kinda acts like a RAD IDE. Kinda.

For Python, I asked a similar question a couple of hours ago, I'm also interested in knowing such tool.

Alix Axel  2009-04-29 06:21:24
Delphi4PHP is promising but really having many limitations like we cannot import an existing site into it. This is what I like the most in case of Dreamweaver as our team has to constantly add programming to existing sites.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-29 06:33:41
@eyze,Regarding Python I had heard that there was something called Visual Python but I am not able to find it anywhere.Microsoft's Iron Pythony is nothing but crap!If you find something useful please do PM me.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-29 06:35:37
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The good news is that you won't miss it as soon as you familiarize yourself with a way of work when the responsibilities are shared.

Think it over: really the programmer is the right person to assemble the user interface? I think not even in case of a desktop application.

Programmer should write good code, separated display logic, and let all the presentation things to

  • information architects
  • user interface/experience specialists
  • here comes you, to write the code
  • graphic designers
  • sitebuilders

The -not so bad- news is that, there is no such tool for PHP and Python.

Csaba Kétszeri  2009-04-29 07:01:00
I think you need to read my profile first.I want a RAD tool (if possible) for both PHP and Python.I am already using Dreamweaver and it is great in many ways compared to various PHP Editors like VS.php, PHPEd, etc.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 05:37:08
In my answer, I tryed to emphasize there is a very weak interest in RAD tools within the this field. It it were false, there would be at least a project with good momentum to develop a real RAD solution.I still can't see why shoud a UI expert produce actual working code, even if he/she is capable to do so.Your experience won't make you any closer to a tool practically not existing. Even if you "want" it. This is a hard fact, try to accept and please don't require me to read your resume to post my opinion. Tywm.
Csaba Kétszeri  2009-04-30 16:31:07
+1  A: 

There also webdev. It can generate PHP.

 2009-04-29 07:10:23
I have not looked at the latest version but in the past it was not that promising and functional.Most of the learning Material was only available in French.I will surely check it out now that you have pointed to it!
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-29 07:18:43
Sorry in my previous comment I was referring to WinDev and not WebDev. I have never seen WebDev.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-29 07:21:28
webdev also made by pcsoft wich is a french company.I just know about it's existence but I have never tried, so I can not tell youy more about it
 2009-04-29 07:30:04
I looked up WebDev.It is toooooo dear to purchase priced 1000+ Euros!It is better to use something else!
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 05:30:09
+1  A: 

Wingware looks like a pretty decent Python IDE

Conrad  2009-04-29 07:15:34
Thanks for the Link but I do not want an IDE only. I wand a RAD environment so that I can design the UI visually using drag-n-drop, something that is possible in RAD tools like VB and Delphi.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 06:00:10
+1  A: 

I just remenbered some more tools that might be useful to you, besides WebDev:

  • PHPMaker
  • WaveMaker

For Python I'm gonna try the DialogBlocks later this evening.

Alix Axel  2009-04-29 07:36:57
I have looked in PHP Maker but unfortunately it is more suitable for basic CRUD functionality only.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 05:46:54
+2  A: 

for python try BoaConstructor if you come delphi background its a good start.

gath  2009-04-29 07:56:02
This looks a bit promising. But I will look into it and then only I can decide.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 05:45:50
+1  A: 

TurboPHP, and it's now open source project.

Also wxPython has GUI Builder.

Mohammed Nasman  2009-04-29 11:14:17
Thanks I will look into this.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 05:45:12
A:  
[ChodeCharge Studio][1]

http://www.codecharge.com

Tom Schaefer  2009-04-29 12:37:48
I have checked this. But am not satisfied with it.It is not true RAD. It has limited functionality and one is forced to live with that. For example I can't attach any third part framework (PRADO) with it.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 05:33:04
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e-satis  2009-04-29 12:47:42
A: 

You should really check out Vs.php Vs.php it is visual studio (standalone) or a visual studio plugin. Now if someone would do the same for xcode...

Kris  2009-04-29 17:15:19
This is just a PHP Editor. I want a RAD tool not an editor.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-04-30 05:34:23
what is not RAD about visual studio?
Kris  2009-04-30 20:51:06
A: 

I think Morfik is a RAD tool pretty much like what you're looking for. The language you program in is not PHP or Python, though. It uses ObjectPascal, c#, or Basic:

http://www.morfik.com

Herbert Sitz  2009-05-01 06:03:23
I have tried Morfik when it was in Beta stage. But was not impressed by it.And unfortunately as you have noted it does not support PHP or Python.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-05-01 11:51:09
Yogi, I didn't suggest that I had used Morkik or make any statement regarding its quality. I noted that it didn't use PHP or Python. Might I suggest that downvoting people who are making honest efforts to be helpful might be counterproductive for you?
Herbert Sitz  2009-05-01 15:24:08
A: 

Let me elaborate on CodeCharge Studio. I think you still can consider this system. Personally, I've been using it to develop very complex high-load data-base driven CRM applications, with 4.x version it even generates AJAX-based code and autocomplete, ajax-form submittion are piece of cake. With CCS you will need sometimes some tuning, but the tricks are pretty much typical. So, CodeCharge Studio is still a choice for complex applications too.

PHP thinker  2009-08-10 18:28:46
May be you are right but from my evaluation I feel it is limited. Another thing is that I framework as implemented in it is not well documented. I could not find info describing the basis of the template framework. How it works, how one can modify it outside CSS, etc. etc.
Yogi Yang 007  2009-08-11 03:57:05
A: 

Since you mentioned Delphi, you can try ExtPascal - http://code.google.com/p/extpascal/ . There is a 3rd party designer support for this framework(Delphi and Lazarus).

TwinForms  2009-08-10 22:24:22
A: 

I found an IDE which will allow user to visually build Python based apps. The IDE is open souce and is from Japan.

Check it out!

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And

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I have to say that I have not used it. I just discovered it!

I am still searching for a good IDE for PHP which will allow me to build GUI visually.

Hope this helps others.

Yogi Yang 007  2009-11-20 05:18:05
A: 

Yogi you sound like a PITA

PeterS  2010-01-10 12:16:30
What is a PITA?
Yogi Yang 007  2010-01-11 10:39:27

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