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I am creating an addin for Outlook, and I would like to use some standard microsoft's icons in my addin's GUI - for example, outlook has 'reply to' icon that people already know well, and I would like to use the exact same icon for replying action in my addin.

Is it legal to do this? According to http://www.microsoft.com/about/legal/permissions/default.mspx#EDE Microsoft is very strict and does not allow reusing their icons in other software (except for icons delivered in their development tools).

However, this would be pretty unpractical, as I would have to design my own 'reply to' icon, which should be as similar as possible to the standard one (in order to not scare users), while being different enough to stand up in a court. I find this pretty crazy and indeed, there are icon vendors who sell icon sets 'almost' copied from Vista (example here) - how legal is this - I'm not sure their folder or printer icon could be defended in a legal case?

And besides, what if I use tree control in my app, which automatically contains microsoft's icons, or what if I display files that are associated to default windows programs and therefore have their icons?

Have you used MS icons in your app? Or do you know about some place where I could find out these questions? Thank you!

EDIT: the first link actually covers only product icons - for example icon of Word 2007; it says nothing about icons used in app.

+1  A: 

most definitely not.

As a rule of thumb, never use any graphic from any commercial website/software tool.
In fact, I wouldn't use it for my own unless their website specifically told me I could.

The outlook icons are not part of the development tools as far as I know.

Bad idea, make your own or buy an icon pack.

Robert Greiner
That's what I feared - it will look pretty weird when one part of the window (addin's pane) will have completely different icons, even for functions that are very similar to the ones in the rest of the window :(. Microsoft's legal policy seems to go against their own UX guidelines, as it breaks the principle that same actions should have same icons. I know that legal principle comes first befor UX guidelines, but is is crazy nevertheless.
Tomáš Kafka
yeah, unfortunately the license agreements and policies of commercial companies do not always make it easy on us. I'm just glad you care enough to ask this type stuff instead of just going forward with it and getting a letter from MS later on :P Good luck and I hope everything works out for you.
Robert Greiner
We'll see, I wrote a letter to MS asking for explanation, and if they reply, I'll post it here - it will just take a while, as I couldn't find more apropriate cotact than their general enquiry mail for my country.
Tomáš Kafka
A: 

The easiest way to check, is to contact a Microsoft rep for permission.

Dmitri Farkov
Thanks, it seems that I will have to ask.
Tomáš Kafka
+1  A: 

Visual Studio has been shipped with a fairly nice collection of bitmaps and icons for quite some time now - a well-hidden and often unknown treasure.

There's a ZIP file (almost 10 MB!) containing those stock icons and bitmaps at C:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio 9.0\Common7\VS2008ImageLibrary\1033 (for VS 2008 - similar path for VS 2005), but as far as I know, it's an optional installation component - so you might not have it installed.

These icons and bitmaps are actually really quite nice! And as far as I understand the rules (but the standard I-am-not-a-lawyer disclaimer applies) these icons and bitmaps can be used in your Visual Studio projects.

Marc

marc_s
Cool, thanks! I thought it's the same bunch of 16x16 16 color icons as every time, so I didn't even look at it; my mistake :).
Tomáš Kafka
+1  A: 

What if you made your program find and load the Microsoft one? It might very well be a resource that you can access without too much difficulty.

I am not a lawyer, I don't know if this is legal or not.

Loren Pechtel
I have thought of this as well, but I think that from a legal point of view, it is absolutely same as if I ripped the icons myself and used them in my addin. I would not be distributing copyrighted MS content though...
Tomáš Kafka