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Why should default parameters be added last in C++ functions?

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What would happen if the first one was default? How would the compiler know that the provided value is for the second parameter?

Or do you mean at the end of the project?

Burkhard
+15  A: 

If you define the following function:

void foo( int a, int b = 0, int c );

How would you call the function and supply a value for a and c, but leave b as the default?

foo( 10, ??, 5 );

Unlike some other languages (eg, Python), function arguments in C/C++ can not be qualified by name, like the following:

foo( a = 10, c = 5 );

If that were possible, then the default arguments could be anywhere in the list.

Daniel Paull
what about cases which like below..foo(int a,double b=0.0,char c='a')
yesraaj
in fact, if the compiler is smart enough, we should be able to write foo(10, 5). The compiler should interpret it as foo(10, default, 5).
@raj: That is allowed in C++. You can think of it as something like, once you have started giving default arguments you have to give all the way to the end (i.e. until the last parameter) without leaving anything in between.
Naveen
@naveen foo(5,'c') will this work for above declartion??
yesraaj
@askalee: It will not be simple. Imagine a case where I have specified two default arguments in the middle, and I want to override one of the default arguments. Then how should the compiler guess which one to override.
Naveen
@raj - it's nice you're asking questions because it lets us get repuation from it, but on the other hand, have you considered trying these things out in a C++ compiler? You'd very easily find the answers immediately that way.
Daniel Earwicker
@raj: Hmm..yes, it will 'work' in the sense that the code will compile. However the result is not as expected. Param a will receive the value 5 and param b (not c) will receive the ascii value of 'c' which is 99. This is because of the implicit conversion from char to double done by the compiler.
Naveen
@Naveen: Overriding parameters should not be an issue here, because that already happens in cases that defaults are added last. For cases that the compiler can guess, they should be compiled. For cases that the compiler can't guess, just raise errors.
@Earwicker I dont this this question can be answered by compiler.And if you are mentioning about reply to naveen qn there I am trying to clarify my qn here
yesraaj
it could be like foo(10,,5)? Although I agree that's but ugly..
borisCallens
@raj, @boris: It's a pity that some of the "solutions" you propose don't exist. I think we have just too few unexpected implicit casts to look for in C++.
Daniel Daranas
@askalee: The compiler guess! We have enough problems with unexpected automatic conversions between types. Adding this would open a whole new can of worms in maintainability problems.
Martin York
As a side note, C# 4.0 will have this :)
borisCallens
+3  A: 

Imagine you had a function with this prototype:

void testFunction(bool a = false, bool b = true, bool c);

Now suppose I called the function like this:

testFunction(true, false);

How is the compiler supposed to figure out which parameters I meant to supply values for?

Eric
+9  A: 

To simplify the language definition and keep code readable.

void foo(int x = 2, int y);

To call that and take advantage of the default value, you'd need syntax like this:

foo(, 3);

Which was probably felt to be too weird. Another alternative is specifying names in the argument list:

foo(y : 3);

A new symbol would have to be used because this already means something:

foo(y = 3); // assign 3 to y and then pass y to foo.

The naming approach was considered by rejected by the ISO committee because they were uncomfortable with introducing a new significance to parameter names outside of the function definition.

If you're interested in more C++ design rationales, read The Design and Evolution of C++ by Stroustrup.

Daniel Earwicker
Why can't we use foo(3) instead of foo(,3)? Is there any problem that prevents the compiler to understand the programmer's intension? I think a better reason would be to reduce the chance of ambiguity during compile time and make the construction of compilers easier.
Abhay
Abhay - I don't think he says that - I think he *reports* that some people on the committee thought that and gives their reasons. For all we know, Stroustrup himself would have been fine with making a dependency on the names in the declaration and ignoring the definition (I would have).
Daniel Earwicker
@askalee - the problem is for *people* reading the code, not the compiler. Without named parameters, all we have to go on is position. You can always define another function with a different name if you want a version that accepts a single parameter with another meaning.
Daniel Earwicker
@asklee, what if both your pars have a default, and you pass in foo(3)?
borisCallens
+1  A: 

As a general rule function parameters are processed by the compiler and placed on the stack in right to left order. Therefore it makes sense that any parameters with default values should be evaluated first.

(This applieds to __cdecl, which tends to be the default for VC++ and __stdcall function declarations).

ChrisBD
It's not specified at all by the language standard, so it can't be the reason for how the language works - these are two completely separate levels of concern.
Daniel Earwicker
I'll admit that I didn't realise that, but I know that it's the bahaviour of VC++ and gcc compilers.
ChrisBD
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Its because it uses the relative position of arguments to find to which parameters they correspond.

It could have used the types to identify that an optional parameter was not given. But implicit conversion could interfere with it. Another problem would be programming errors that could be interpreted as optional arguments drop out instead of missing argument error.

In order to allow any argument to become optional, there should be a way to identify the arguments to make sure there is no programming error or to remove ambiguities. This is possible in some languages, but not in C++.

chmike
+2  A: 

As most of the answers point out, having default parameters potentially anywhere in the parameter list increases the complexity and ambiguity of function calls (for both the compiler and probably more importantly for the users of the function).

One nice thing about C++ is that there's often a way to do what you want (even if it's not always a good idea). If you want to have default arguments for various parameter positions, you can almost certainly do this by writing overloads that simply turn around and call the fully-parameterized function inline:

 int foo( int x, int y);
 int foo( int y) {
     return foo( 0, y);
 }

And there you have the equivalent of:

 int foo( int x = 0, int y);
Michael Burr
A: 

Another thing that the standards committee had to consider was how default parameters interacts with other features, like overloaded functions, template resolution, and name lookup. These features interact in very complex and hard to describe ways already. Making default parameters be able to appear anywhere would only increase the complexity.

KeithB