I migrated from Windows, and have heard that Linux programmers do not use IDEs to develop programs, something like Visual Studio. Is this saying true? Do Linux programmers use IDE to do pratical development?
Thanks.
I migrated from Windows, and have heard that Linux programmers do not use IDEs to develop programs, something like Visual Studio. Is this saying true? Do Linux programmers use IDE to do pratical development?
Thanks.
It is all down to personal preference really, I tend just to use a text editor for python, perl etc..
But you can use an IDE. Eclipse comes to mind.
There is also Monodevelop for .Net projects on Linux.
We usually write the machine code directly.
Joke.
Plenty of Linux developers use one of the many fine IDEs available for the platform, such as Anjuta, Eclipse, NetBeans, etc. However on Linux you are also more likely than on Windows to encounter developers who program using text editors such as vi or emacs. This is what you may have heard.
Some do, but IDEs can be limiting compared to binutils, gdb, and an editor. Most use an editor like Emacs or Vim which can function as an IDE (build, jump to errors, debug, etc) using the underlying tools.
I use the GNU Compiler Collection (GCC), VIM, and Perl. The make utility is also something you'll become intimately involved with.
VIM has many plugins to help you with editing and language-specific features. GCC works for many different languages.
I use emacs, vim and netbeans. I also use Notepad++. When working in windows i use netbeans and notepad++. So linux means more freedom for me but with the same base tools.
There are a lot of IDEs out there that work on linux, I develop using Eclipse for Java and Python, sometimes I use an easier text editor without code check and helpers. Netbeans is another good IDE.
Vi is a good editor when you are writing scripts on the shell or on a remote machine, emacs I think it is no longer used, or by a minority of developers.
There are a large number of IDE's that run on Linux (and other Unix systems) ...
Probably what you heard is related to the fact that the entire Unix system is a kind of a development environment. "Small" programs like id-utils
, vi
, vim
, and emacs
, plus the CLI tools, make the entire system into a sort of hybrid development system. The philosophy is quite different from the IDE style, so don't expect to understand it immediately.
I spent a number of years developing Java on Eclipse under Windows, which I enjoyed. But before and after that, I used Unix, NetBSD, and Linux for development. I'm perfectly happy developing C, C++, PHP or Ruby just with vi(1) and the other CLI tools. I've never tried serious Java development on Unix. That might take me back to the IDE's, partly because of the amount of boilerplate needed, and partly because Java has quite elaborate IDE support. But to get the marginal IDE added value for !Java is just not worth the pain or worth giving up the instant-on nature of vi(1) and Terminal and all the other Unix elements, which kind of vanish when you start the IDE.
Once inside the IDE, the outside OS doesn't matter any more. I think, ahem, that's why I liked using the IDE on Win and not so much on Unix. Unix is flexible and fun, and doesn't need to be replaced as an environment.
There are Linux programmers that use IDEs and some that don't. Many people use editors like Emacs or Vim, and then others use IDEs like Eclipse, NetBeans, Anjuta, KDevelop, etc.
Hi,
I use gVim for just about everything, coding Perl, JavaScript, Java, HTML, CSS ,XML, etc and upload code, run things I need to do directly from Vim, e.g testing HTML in a browser.
Modern gVim is a bit more GUi than vim.
I like gVim because it enables me to do just about everything from the keyboard, if you can touch type that saves you lots of time - while others are looking for their mouse. - if you can touch type, and it loads in a fraction of the time of other IDEs.
Its very flexible so if gVim doesn't do what you want it todo you can enhance it externally (write a small program) or internally (write or use a plugin there are lots)
emacs offers a similar experience.
I regularly tried other GUI IDEs and so far have always come back to gVim.
gVim is X platform so you can reuse you skills on Win32 and Mac platforms and those very old crusty Unix boxes that only have vi.
Note: There is a learning curve and you won't get the true "Power" until the commands become second nature and you learn how to use the regular expressions.
This link may help ...
If you are not familiar I suggest using the vimtutor to get you started.
Even if some real men with beards might say that Emacs (or vi) > Eclipse > Netbeans > all, many users do use IDEs. Actually, the veracity of the previous statement doesn't really matter, just use a tool you're productive with and, ideally, a right one for the job. Here is a quick choice list:
As you can see, GNU/Linux doesn't mean coding in a 80 columns shell (potentially opened through ssh). Linux has some kick ass tools too. To be honest, I find that Linux is a much better development platform than Windows: it has many good IDEs which are at least equivalent (except maybe for .NET, I'm not sure that MonoDevelop can compete with Visual Studio), it has much more command line tools, more scripting capabilities, it gives better control... In other words, I feel much more powerful with Linux than Windows.
I use mostly gedit with tons of plugins... But when programming in Java i use Eclipse. When programming in C i use Code::Blocks. But sometimes i use Geany works very well to. But then again it's just what a person prefers.
I use KATE, which ships with KDE. Its got nice syntax highlighting, no unnecessary creature comforts, a nice snippet gallery and great in line shell window. Sessions / projects are easy to manage and open.
The edit area itself has pretty much what you would expect as far as basics, like code folding, split views and stuff.
I'm one of those bearded guys (well I was, until I shaved) that was 5+ years joining the rest of the world even USING a desktop environment, much less an IDE. I won't call KATE an IDE, that's what KDevelop is for. KATE is just a really good editor.
I use vim. I've been using it for about three years now and I still consider myself pretty amateur, there's a lot vim can do and the learning curve is pretty steep.
I should probably also mention that I do a lot of python/django coding and I do a lot of that off-site, as in not on the machine my code lives on, over ssh. I dunno how good of an idea this is, but that's just what I'm used to, and since I'm mostly living in a Terminal I definitely prefer vim.
If you come to linux you must be prepared to use more console and less IDE's.
But i think that you have lots of IDE in previous posts
No, it is not true. People just use what they prefer most. The definition of IDE is also a bit weak. On Linux, many text editors are very powerful, for example Emacs. You could perhaps call that text editor already an IDE. Though, to point out a difference, Emacs (and other text editors) were originally made to be very general and write just anything with it, and handy tools/functions for developing C/C++/whatever were added later. And their programming language support mostly* only covers syntax highlighting, not much more.
Applications like KDevelop or Eclipse were initially developed to be a development environment and most of these still have more/better functionality to develop. I call these IDEs.
There are many different IDEs on Linux, some more powerful, some less powerful, some for one specific programming language, some for many different. Depending what language you want to write in, some are better than others.
Also, some are more bloated than others. That is one of the main reasons people just use a text editor because it is very snappy, very stable and very fast.
I'll list some IDEs which I think are the best in term of functionality specific to that language (like code completion and many other stuff).
For C/C++:
KDevelop
For what I know there is no IDE which has better support for C/C++. I didn't found any other tool which handles C++ in such a way that it really understands STL, which is important that you can use autocompletion for STL containers and such stuff. It even understands macros, so autocompletion even works in very complicated cases with many macro-tricks. I work on a ~250k loc C++ project and it has understood the full code. (To use the extended C/C++ support though, you have to activate it in project settings, it is disabled by default. Also, to have full STL support, I preparsed the STL headers and added that to the C++ support in project settings manually. Don't know if that is still needed. But I guess it still doesn't work out-of-the-box.)
Also, KDevelop is very snappy and fast (developed itself in C++), compared to many other IDEs. It loads almost as fast as any other simple text editor and feels as snappy as such. And that also doesn't change for very big projects. Whereby I myself just use it for editing/writing the code, not managing the compiling of the project. It has automake support but I prefer to use CMake. But KDevelop works fine with that: when I press compile in KDevelop, it just starts a make.
Initially, KDevelop was developed as a development tool for KDE applications but it works fine for any C/C++ project. I actually have never done any Qt/KDE project with it. Also, support for other languages like Ada were added later on but I haven't tried that.
I don't know any other IDE which has better support for C++. Please comment me if I am wrong here. I didn't checked many other IDEs anymore in the last one or two years.
Eclipse
You probably know that already. Initially it was developed in and for Java. Later, support for C/C++ was added.
I want to note this IDE because I know many people using it. I am not really recommending it though because I have mostly made bad experiences.
The C++ support is good, not perfect though; there are cases where autocompletion doesn't work.
The possibilities and features of the IDE itself are very rich. I don't know many other IDEs which are such big (bloated). That, together that it is in Java, makes it often feel very slow and sometimes hanging while you are writing something. Also the memory usage is very high.
Qt Creator
A newcomer, initially for Qt development, but also fine for any other C/C++ projects. Very good qmake support.
The C++ support is nice, only some smaller problems. Also, the IDE is snappy and fast.
After all, I found myself a bit too limited in this IDE and the C++ support in KDevelop was still better, so I kept using KDevelop for most C++ projects. But when you do a Qt project, Qt Creator is great because it also comes with some nice GUI builders for Qt and other nice Qt tools.
For Java:
Eclipse
See my comments above.
For Java, I think this is the most common IDE on Linux. The same disadvantages as noted above apply here also but I don't know any better IDE, so I keep using Eclipse when I develop in Java.
NetBeans
Also in and for Java. Never tried that because it was not really supported in my Linux distribution (I think because of licensing issues, don't remember exactly anymore).
I have seen many flames in the past about NetBeans-vs-Eclipse. Don't know actually about the current state.
For C#:
MonoDevelop
Also haven't tried that myself, only have heard that it is one of the best tools for C#. Just wanted to note that because you referred to Visual Studio and you may be interested in C#.
I want to add some words to the usage of the terminal:
In addition to such an IDE, it is very common to use a terminal in parallel to your IDE. The terminal and all its shells together with all the Unix tools and other tools is very powerfull and you can do many tasks in a very simple way. Once you get a good overview over all the Unix tools and how to use them, they can save you a lot of work.
There are often tasks in a project which needs to be done again and again. That can be simple tasks like how you manage your source code and distribute it with your teammates or also more complex tasks.
For example, when you do some server-client work and start perhaps 10 servers and 100 clients on different machines, let them all doing something; then grep the output for some regular expressions and collect all that and do some performance tests over 10 seconds and repeat that progress several times - such things are all trivial once you manage the terminal.
You will find yourself ending up having just several scripts written which do all that for you. Writing such scripts is mostly straight-forward.
This goes perhaps a bit off-topic but I just wanted to have that noted because it is a common and powerfull way to work. When you switched from Windows to Linux as a developer, you should take a look at all those additional possibilities you have now. Those are the main reason for me (and many others) why I prefer developing on Linux/Unix than on any other system.
(*) Again some words to Emacs: Emacs can be extended my many tools and plugins which make it a very rich system with the same functionality as an IDE. For example, there is CEDET which comes with real language support, i.e. you also have features like smart word completion / IntelliSense and also a project management system. I haven't tried it myself but I will do that in the next weeks.
As we are doing a re-run of Editor Wars a link to this XKCD cartoon seems called for....
Most desktop environment has IDE development and tools. For example gnome has this : http://library.gnome.org/devel/tools Eclipse and NetBeans is complex software and need time to learning and configure.
The open source smalltalks (Squeak, Pharo) are cross-platform and run fine on Linux. They are image based and have a fine IDE.
A Linux developer uses Microsoft Visual Studio to develop portable code in Windows. Then he compiles this code in Linux with gcc and fixes any bugs with whatever Linux tool that work (KDevelop, etc).
Saying 'what do linux programmers use' is a bit backward.
Some use massive IDE's with tremendous functionality, others like my use GNU screen, vim, and a stack of shells to do their editing.
I develop in Python, and vim + python is all I need.