I'm working on a toolkit (sort of a live-CD Lisp-in-a-Box) for people new to Common Lisp, and I want to make sure it is broadly satisfying. What is attractive to you about Lisp? What do/did/would you need to get you started and keep you interested?
What I have so far: SBCL 10.22, Emacs 22.3, SLIME, and LTK bundled together and configured on a Linux live-CD that boots entirely to RAM.
I've now released the result of this; it is available at the Thnake website.
This does:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/ThePerilsofJavaSchools.html
Of course I'd also like to learn more Python 3.0, erlang, and F#. I believe that functional languages (not to say that Python is a functional language) provide just a different perspective. The more perspective you have the better solutions you can architect. It is all about using the right tools for the job too, but if you don't at least have familiarity with something you might never think to solve a problem with a particular tool. I guess it goes back to the old saying that to a carpenter everything looks like a nail. I do not want to be hammering C# into everything when there are better solutions available. Also, times change and fads do with them.
My suggestion is to include an HTTP server like Hunchentoot and a popular web framework. I suspect that most people that want to learn Lisp these days do so because of reading Paul Graham, and wanting to mimic his success at building Viaweb, so being able to easily create and modify powerful web applications would be a strong selling point for your live CD.
I would include at least cl-ppcre, clx, Hunchentoot, and Weblocks.
I guess that you would have to negotiate with the respective authors, but including "On Lisp", "Practical Common Lisp", and "Successful Lisp" would be a great asset for the CD.
What would be really nice is to use stumpwm as the window manager on your live CD.
Reading Paul Graham makes me want to learn Common Lisp. But if I actually sit down to try learning it, the urge subsides.
Everything in clbuild (http://common-lisp.net/project/clbuild) should be a good candidate to be included. Incidentally, all packages in your list except Emacs are also managed by clbuild. I think it'd be good if the collection of projects in clbuild could gather some momentum towards standard-common-lisp-library-hood.
Emacs almost prevented me from learning Common Lisp. It took a lot of effort to slog through it. Emacs and SLIME are too much for a beginner and will never be broadly satisfying to beginners. If I want to learn a new programming language, I want everything else to stay out of my way while I learn it. The task of learning Lisp is hard enough without added technicalities and complications of setting up an environment. Isolate the variable.
Set up SBCL with rlwrap or an equivalent. rlwrap supports very basic paren matching and history searching and can even do tab-completion. Not as fancy as SLIME but a beginner doesn't need SLIME. A beginner needs to be able to run hello-world without spending an hour fighting Emacs. Provide Emacs/SLIME as an option but don't require it.
What would really get me interested in Common Lisp is a modern set of libraries at the level of .net or Java, as well as some really good documentation that isn't gnarly. In terms of software, a nice gui editor along the lines of notepad++ or jEdit would be good. Emacs/vi & text-based editors always seems quaint and antiquated for serious development.
Emacs does have a bit of a learning curve, but it is great for serious development -- no pesky mouse-driven gui bling in the way of the (text-based) code.
Out-of-the-box CUA-mode is enabled these days (so C-x, C-c, C-v works "standard"), and there is a menu with file-operations like save, etc, so it shouldn't that hard of a slog, if it's all pre-packaged. But pre-configuring the .emacs file to ensure that CUA mode is enabled, SLIME doesn't have to be configured by the user etc. is a must -- plus perhpas more documentation within for the user for .emacs configs - links to EmacsWiki, etc. (hrm, if this is on a CD, it's unlikely that the user would be configuring it themselves, isn't it....)
Include Emacs, of course, but you might want to have something gentler.
The Lisp environment I found easiest to slip into was Macintosh Common Lisp, with the FRED editor (Fred Resembles Emacs Deliberately). Digitool didn't successfully make it into the current era of Macs, but they open-sourced a lot of their stuff as they folded. Try www.clozure.com or search for "openmcl" on Google.
There was a project to get the Fred environment running on Openmcl, but I don't know the status offhand (I haven't done anything with Lisp in a long time, and haven't been paying attention on the mailing lists).
So, my recommendations:
Ask Paul Graham if you can include "On Lisp". Since he's giving away a download for free, the odds are good that he'll give permission. (His other excellent Lisp book, "ANSI Common Lisp", is apparently still selling, so it's unlikely he'll give you permission there.)
At least check out the MCL stuff to see if there's anything you can find to make it easier. Emacs is a great Lisp environment, but it's a bit intimidating for the beginner.
I haven't looked at the SBCL documentation lately. Is it fairly readable and beginner-friendly? Perhaps somebody could write up some quick instructions on how to get going and how to debug. Emphasize mouse use at first, even if using Emacs.
I think the idea of including tutorials is an excellent one.
In addition to the ones already stated, there is both the easiest book for newbies on lisp (A Gentle Introduction to Symbolic Computation) and several excellent websites hiding out there on the web that people should know about. Here they are:
Hi! As far as I undertand you are doing Thnake.
Thank you for greate live distro!
I tried it couple of days before and found it rather impressive and interesting.
There are couple of things it obviously lacks, such as LTK since you have already included Common Lisp and Tcl/Tk. And since there is gtk, you can include bindings and documentation for CL and Python.
Also there is a need in Lisp Hyperspec, and preconfiguaration of Slime to use it. (Same for documentation for Python and Tcl) May be it would be better to add emacs-w3m for fast and convenient documentation browsing.
There's always Practical Common Lisp, a book on Common Lisp which is readable in its entirety online. There's also a packaging of Emacs with a CL implementation meant for using along with the book.
You should definitely add Vim too, configured with the RainbowParenthsis plugin.
rlwrap for SBCL is a good idea, and so is (require :sb-aclrepl).
Weblocks should come with cl-prevalence and maybe Elephant/BDB, too.
I have some interest in learning Lisp, but I don't 'like' most of the resources available. How about extending this project to the creation of some sort of a "community" responsible for providing tutorials or something, in order to make Common Lisp more popular and easier to learn? Bad/weird/useless idea?