views:

4237

answers:

8

We have an industrial app that currently runs on a very expensive ruggedized PDA. Since most of the engineers we sell to have iPhones we are considering moving to the much nicer newer platform.

A couple of questions: Is it possible to sell iPhone apps with out the app store? Apple taking a 40% cut of a 99c iFart app is one thing but this is a $3000 engineering calculation app. We have also heard of the hassles some people have had getting apps approved.

Can we sell an iPod touch (I understand selling an iPhone without a contract is trickier) with pre-packaged software.

ps. Sorry for the anonymous posting, the company is a little nervous about our relationship with the PDA maker.

+1  A: 

I wish. Short answer, no.

There is some kind of a hack, whereby you isntall your app in a ad hoc manner, but you can only have 100 devices. Painful road if you ask me.

vectorizor
A: 

You have to jailbreak the iPhone to put an app on it not from the app store.

Charlie
This is not true. Both Ad Hoc and Enterprise systems allow you to install applications on an iPhone outside of the App Store.
Chris Porter
Neither Ad Hoc nor Enterprise are viable solutions in this case, though.
ceejayoz
Neither is asking their customers to jailbreak their iPhone so their application be installed.
Chris Porter
+2  A: 

Native app, no. However, you can create it as a Web App that's specialized for the iPhone, in which case you circumvent the app store altogether.

BFree
Make it a Web App. At $3000, if you make it a native app, I won't be surprised somebody will immediately jailbreak the iPhone, disassemble your App and gift it to half of your customers. Really, and make it a subscription, so they pay you $1000/year.
ilya n.
For industrial apps piracy is not much of a problem. Shell are not about to give away pirate copies of say an oilwell mapper to Esso. Most other customers are one man consultancies that are even more careful.
Martin Beckett
+15  A: 

Enterprise developer program allows in house distribution, avoiding the appstore. It's $299 vs $99 and doesn't include AppStore distribution.

For companies with 500 or more employees who are creating proprietary in-house applications for iPhone and iPod touch.

EightyEight
If I understand the enterprise distribution method correctly you can only distribute applications to people internal to the company, not external customers. Sounds like they need to distribute outside the company.
Dana Holt
You are right, I was commenting more on the "sell without the appstore" part of the question. I don't have any more information regarding the Enterprise program. It's gotta be AdHoc type distribution without the 100-user limit. If Apple still retains the signing facility for the enterprise apps, then I'd dare not anger them. On the other hand if they hand off a self contained kit, then the OP can probably do whatever s/he wants. Your guess is as good as mine in this case though :)
EightyEight
If the iPod Touches are owned by one company and leased to another, then the Enterprise program might be workable. If you don't sell the applications separately from the hardware, it probably all qualifies as "internal use". Contacting Apple about the Enterprise program is probably the way to go.
Mark Bessey
+10  A: 

There are basically three different official iPhone application distribution methods that I am aware of:

- App store

With this method anyone with an iPhone can have access to the application. You can distribute an unlimited number of applications like this. Apple gets a 30% cut. Of course Apple must approve your applicaion.

- Ad hoc

You can distribute applications using ad hoc without going through the app store, but you are limited to a maximum of 100 devices. With this method you can distribute you application from a web site, email, etc.

- Enterprise

The method is for internal distribution in companies with more than 500 employees. Apple does not provide any more public detail that I could find on this method.

It doesn't sound like any of these methods meet your criteria unless you have fewer than 100 customers and don't plan to exceed that number. It sounds like from the question your customers are not internal to your company.

I would advise contacting Apple. They might be able to work out some kind of custom distribution deal.

Dana Holt
Changing the name or the version of the app everytime they exceed n*100 costumers would be considered cheating? :D
Andrea Ambu
Changing the name doesn't work. The limit is on the number of devices.
progrmr
+3  A: 

It's a pity - the iPhone/iPod touch could make a really nice platform for automation/interface stuff.
I was working on an embedded industrial platform recently - a 16bit micro, 64K memory, a serial port and a 120x128 2 grey level screen for $1000/unit and $10,000 for the appalling OS/devkit.

Martin Beckett
Well with the accessories support on iphone 3 you should be to connect anything to it.. the downside is the apple's proprietary connector and the apple tax if you're selling through the store.
EightyEight
+1  A: 

I can't see how apple could possibly care if you purchase iPod touches, jailbroke them, installed your app and sold them to customers.

For a $3k app, the $220 for an iPod Touch is less than 10% of the sales price.

Carl Coryell-Martin
Apple would definitely care, whether they would actually do anything about it is another story. For a business doing something like this would be a huge risk.
Dana Holt
+3  A: 

Spotify has a free app you can download, but to use it you have to have a Premium account. So you don't have to sell your app for $3000 to go thru the app store.

kenhos